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04-30-2015 , 05:36 PM
Table is loose, bad, easy to read.

Villain: Young guy canīt make strong folds, might tend to overplay his hands, doesnīt make big enough raises, bets post flop

Hero: hero's image is tight, aggro



$1/2 NL (10 handed)
UTG ($300)
EP Hero ($600)
EP+1 ($300)
MP V1 ($350)
MP+1 ($300)
MP+2 V2 ($300)
CO ($300)
Button ($300)
SB ($300)
BB Villian ($500)

Hero is dealt A5

Hero limps, 5 more limpers, SB calls, BB raises to $10, hero and everyone else calls

Flop ($70) 2,3,4
SB checks, BB bets $35, Hero ???
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04-30-2015 , 05:41 PM
Lol run good much?

Make it 80 and hope for fireworks.
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04-30-2015 , 05:43 PM
Check your template please and take out the V's int he stack size listings.
with 250BB effective stacks, I'm generally raising here to be able to play for them and to make our FD less obvious. I likely go $85.

This is somewhat dependent on reads on the 5 other active players to go, though. Will a raise blow them off dominated FDs? If so, we might want to flat and look for playing for stacks with a different V when they "get luck" and catch a worse flush.
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04-30-2015 , 05:43 PM
Flat and let 22 re raise bb will call and u can get it in and lose to a boat. I say this this because I had this exact scenario once and 22 boated up.

Realistically i think you can flat and let someone else raise. It might look like your on a draw and if you raise turn on a brick it looks kind of FOS.

Just saw it was 1-2. 35 is a decent bet, if you have an active image I'd raise

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Last edited by sysmex12; 04-30-2015 at 05:54 PM.
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04-30-2015 , 06:08 PM
Click it up.

The BB has the deep stack, based on read he has overpairs in his range he won't fold. I want to build now. Any card A-6 or diamond could kill or diminish our action. With the bloated pot we will still get action from flush draws of the smaller stacks. If a field caller behind us decides to go with it and ship our read on this villain suggests he will frequently be compelled to go with his premium pairs instead of folding anyway. Bump it to $75 or so hoping to incite a riot.

Last edited by cAmmAndo; 04-30-2015 at 06:14 PM.
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04-30-2015 , 06:14 PM
Click it up.
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04-30-2015 , 07:34 PM
Grunch

Fold pre unless there is a HUGE skill differential between you and your opponents. (Hint: there isn't)

Flop is obvious flat. Anything that would call your raise is going to raise for you, except maybe two pair. You let weaker diamonds in for a potential cooler. Facing a raise, shove.
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04-30-2015 , 08:00 PM
The flop is a definite flat. Encourage more calls.

You have the (effective) nuts with a re-draw to the better (effective) nuts.

Raising is totally unnecessarily and will cost you value.

Call, see what happens, and plan to shovel more money in on turns.

Raising is just bad hugely multi-way with such a massive value hand with low effective SPR with many to act and plenty of middling villain hands that will can call behind.
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04-30-2015 , 08:12 PM
On the turn, we can raise BB, or, if he checks, bet large ourselves.

There's every chance we get to the turn with a 200+ pot and other villains in the hand.

I'm OK risking a card coming off that could slow action for the possibility of another V raising the flop, getting multiple callers to the turn, or the "action killing" card actually improving villain(s) to hands that pay us off even more.
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05-01-2015 , 03:26 AM
Villian can't fold strong hands and you want to flat the flop?....with half the deck as scare cards on the turn?...I'd raise it to $80,live players tend to view this as " a raise to see where I'm at" and will play back.
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05-01-2015 , 03:38 AM
I think this is a close decision for all the reasons mentioned already, but I think there are 2 tiebreakers:

1) Is $35 a weak or strong bet from this Villain? It is half the pot. Is he just taking a stab with a weak hand that can't call a raise? If so, that would tilt me toward calling to let others call or raise behind.

2) If $35 is not a weak bet, I'm raising now because Villain is much deeper than anyone else. Not raising means we could very easily miss a chance to get a $500 stack, and even if our call gets action behind us and we stack someone else, it's for a much smaller stack (and no guarantee that happens anyway, plus it's also possible that someone behind us is drawing to a chop, so blowing that hand out and also getting Villain's stack in isn't a bad result by any means).

Your reads suggest you should be raising now. I'd make it enough that Villain will feel obligated to call a shove on the turn, although you could make a case for raising to a small amount that tempts someone into cold-calling with a draw you dominate.

EDIT: By the way, your relative position is terrible. Probably consider a fold preflop for that reason.
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05-02-2015 , 06:21 PM
Spoiler:


Table is loose, bad, easy to read.

Villain: Young guy canīt make strong folds, might tend to overplay his hands, doesnīt make big enough raises, bets post flop

Hero: hero's image is tight, aggro



$1/2 NL (10 handed)
UTG ($300)
EP Hero ($600)
EP+1 ($300)
MP V1 ($350)
MP+1 ($300)
MP+2 V2 ($300)
CO ($300)
Button ($300)
SB ($300)
BB Villian ($500)

Hero is dealt A5

Hero limps, 5 more limpers, SB calls, BB raises to $10, hero and everyone else calls

Flop ($70) 2,3,4
SB checks, BB bets $35, Hero raises to $80, Villian shoves, hero calls.

Villian has KK
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05-03-2015 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Spoiler:


Table is loose, bad, easy to read.

Villain: Young guy canīt make strong folds, might tend to overplay his hands, doesnīt make big enough raises, bets post flop

Hero: hero's image is tight, aggro



$1/2 NL (10 handed)
UTG ($300)
EP Hero ($600)
EP+1 ($300)
MP V1 ($350)
MP+1 ($300)
MP+2 V2 ($300)
CO ($300)
Button ($300)
SB ($300)
BB Villian ($500)

Hero is dealt A5

Hero limps, 5 more limpers, SB calls, BB raises to $10, hero and everyone else calls

Flop ($70) 2,3,4
SB checks, BB bets $35, Hero raises to $80, Villian shoves, hero calls.

Villian has KK
NH. People don't fold big overpairs. Or usually any flush draws for that matter.
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