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06-18-2018 , 01:50 PM

dmccoy87

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.50/1 home game that has gone a little nuts. Stacks range from 100bb up to 1500+. Typically loose home game, but party atmosphere and much more aggressive 3betting and raise sizes than our typical game.

Villain is a TAG player, limited history with him. (~$450)

Hero is a TAG player, has been more LAG than normal in this game. Hero recently showed a $150 river bluff into a $125 pot. ($600)

Folds to Villain who makes a raise to $5 in the Lojack. Folds to Hero, I 3b! to $20 in the BB with 7

. Villain calls.

Flop is K66 rainbow, no spade. ($40.50)

Hero checks, Villain downbets $15. What is the best line to get stacks in?

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06-18-2018 , 02:01 PM

Katman

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Lead flop....bet turn...bet river.

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06-18-2018 , 02:44 PM

Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by dmccoy87

What is the best line to get stacks in?

Well it's certainly not checking. Once you put any significant money in your hand just looks like KK.

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06-18-2018 , 02:55 PM

Matt98

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Max you're going to have 6 combos of trips here(65s, 67s, 86s) and your opponent may not even put you on 86 if you normally have a TAG image. Mandatory c-bet. He's going to continue with a large portion of his range and if you just showed an overbet river bluff, this would be a great situation to get the max from Kx by making an overbet again on a later street, while simultaneously balancing your overbet range.

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06-18-2018 , 03:01 PM

dmccoy87

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I experimented with my line here, which is almost always b/b/b. Given the table dynamic with light 3bets being so uncommon I thought a x/r where I should never have 6x would get paid off by Kx.

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So yes, I agree that b/b/b is the preferred line.

That said, what is an alternate line? Leading flop looks like a strong Kx given the 3b! and gets folds a high % of the time anyway.

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06-18-2018 , 03:10 PM

Avaritia

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The easiest way to mask your hand’s strength is to bet it.

Don’t be the guy that 3bets 7 high and checks trips. Don’t.

This particular flop texture is a cbet for your whole range at 1/4-1/3 pot. Kx. QJ. 99. These all cbet. Certain hands that might check call would be like KJs,QQ,AQbdfd.

If you wanted to check, check call to river, at which point you can decide if it’s a check/call or check/jam

Just bet small always tho

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06-18-2018 , 03:21 PM

QuadJ

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After you check flop OOP your best bet is call flop. Check turn and aim to check/raise turn. If villain checks behind bet bet something big and bluffy on river but don't expect much. The bet flop/check turn line from an opponent in this situation is often air.

Having checked flop OOP on such a dry board it's hard to press for stacks. You have to aim lower and try to get as much as possible. Your flop play is mostly representing a middle pair that isn't happy about the king but isn't willing to give up to a single bet. Checking turn lets villain continue if he has KX or feels like bluffing. On the turn you raise on the hope villain won't give up AK.

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06-18-2018 , 03:22 PM

Matt98

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Originally Posted by dmccoy87

That said, what is an alternate line? Leading flop looks like a strong Kx given the 3b! and gets folds a high % of the time anyway.

Was there a flush draw on board? If so then you could profitably c-bet much wider for value here, and you're going to have some c-bet bluffs here as well.

Another problem that comes from checking is the fact that a flop x/c and turn c/r looks WAY stronger than leading flop. If you want to get the most money in possible, it's going to be a b/b/b line.

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06-18-2018 , 03:23 PM

matzah_ball

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Pre is silly and so is flop check

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06-18-2018 , 03:29 PM

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dmccoy87

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Originally Posted by Matt98

No flush draw on board. B/b/b line is, as I said, the best line. Not even the best line, I think it is objectively the correct line. Checking is a mistake and I know that.

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06-19-2018 , 12:07 AM

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branch0095

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Don't have a problem with 3! squeezing a hand like 76s IP with some dead money in the pot, but there's really no reason to 3! it from the blinds against just the opener. You're just bloating the pot OOP HU with a hand that's just not going to flop strong very often.

As played, like everyone else has said, this is a clear b/b/b. You're actually disguising your hand strength better by betting each street yourself than when you take a c/c c/r line, which is great when you should almost never have a 6 in this spot.

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06-19-2018 , 06:51 AM

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Chicagodude

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Yeah i minraise to 30 here or you can just call the bet and pretend to overbet river.

Leading out on flop is best no doubt.

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