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03-23-2015 , 02:09 PM
Mohegan Sun 1/1 table is playing fairly loose pf most players are fit or fold on flop. many pots are being limped around.

Hero- 20's white guy a little drunk and having a good time talking with table. playing alot of hands and taking down most pots with cbets. strongest postflop player at the table, others at the table have made comments about this.

V- 60's white guy not playing like typical OMC but a little more aggressive. raising hands like AK and other big aces when typical OMC limps them.

Effective stacks are ~180

Hero UTG picks up Q5 and limps (lol fold pre i know, however table was weak and not many players were raising so i was intoxicated and playing better than others postflop)

Limps to BB who checks

flop (~10)
25Q

V leads for 10

folds to hero who raises to 20

folds back to V who 3b to 40

hero? obviously we're not folding, but my question is to flat or 4b gii? our hand is somewhat disguised and the only hands that we are in bad shape against is 1 combo of 55 and 1 combo of 22, V raises QQ here almost always so i discount that from his range.

oh and fold pre, i know.

thanks!
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03-23-2015 , 04:00 PM
lol super crap spot i do this with these types of hands too when drinking (and stoned) and it usually leads to pretty tough spots

flop raise should be at least 30 i think but AP with your image here its certainly possible hes trying to see where hes at with a strong Q or 25/Q2
as it happens you have probably saved yourself some money with the minraise on flop so you should take advantage of that and just flat him in case youre behind, wont be easy to reeval most turns but at least board is dry.. I would just go off his sizing it should be pretty reliable at that point, with 90 in the pot and ~140 behind he will most likely bet more than half pot with sets and 25/Q2 and less with strong Qs (but obv this is super debatable), and unless its a shove, Id probably say we should call that too if its ~50 since theres probably around equal combos of possible sets/worse 2pairs (i could be wrong, guessing), although in that case youre sort of (~90 behind and ~240 in pot) commiting yourself to snapping off the rest on most rivers so its a flip either way

this type of player is almost never 3betting the flop with less than 2p and my gut tells me he rips it on the turn often since hes going to be too scared of playing us to the river postflop but can we lay it down (?) to a few worse 2pairs from time to time? he has so few set combos...probably have to see it.. i think slow down hope the board saves you if he has a set or that he slows down a bit and stay away from alcohol and these spots

Last edited by Alexandar; 03-23-2015 at 04:17 PM.
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03-23-2015 , 04:03 PM
If you're "playing better than others postflop" while drunk, you should probably know what to do in this spot. Assuming V is in the blinds and not a limper, just call and get it in on almost any turn card.
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03-23-2015 , 05:52 PM
Make 100. Jam all turns.

Easy spot a post flop crusher would know. Being aggresive post flop and clicking the right buttons does not make a crusher.

F.w.i.w. he can have 1 combo of 55. 3 combos of 22. 6 combos Q-2 (only 1 suited combo).. 4 combos Q5. 6 combos of 2-5. 16 combos of 34 (doubt he 3 bets). And 16 combos of AQ, KQ
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03-25-2015 , 03:27 PM
Hero just calls on the turn, pretty confident I had the best hand but was caught off guard because i had never seen V 3b before this hand.

Given hero's image though i think V's 3b can be the lower end of his range.
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03-25-2015 , 03:33 PM
Turn (~90) 25Q4

V bets 40

Hero calls

River (~170) 25Q46

V bets 40

Hero calls

V shows 25 for a worse 2pr and hero scoops the pot.

in hindsight I think jamming the turn is the best play to stack V or even 4b gii on the flop.
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03-25-2015 , 03:58 PM
why not raise the turn or river?

OTT: given the small bet sizing, you should feel confident you have the best hand, and V is never 3 betting A3, 44 or 46 OTF.

OTR: V bets the same small amount, why not raise? again, is he ever 3betting the flop with any hands that have a 3 in them or Q6 or 66?
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03-25-2015 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
why not raise the turn or river?

OTT: given the small bet sizing, you should feel confident you have the best hand, and V is never 3 betting A3, 44 or 46 OTF.

OTR: V bets the same small amount, why not raise? again, is he ever 3betting the flop with any hands that have a 3 in them or Q6 or 66?
I was a little MUBSY that V had 22, i didn't know he would 3b a worse 2pr but if he has 22 GG it should go in anyway.
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03-25-2015 , 04:30 PM
Definitely raise turn or river. V doesn't like his hand so much when he bets the same amount on turn and river, and it sounds like he was in the blinds so 22 is less likely than a worse two pair.
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03-25-2015 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexOrbs
I was a little MUBSY that V had 22, i didn't know he would 3b a worse 2pr but if he has 22 GG it should go in anyway.
fair enough.

like wj94 pointed out, bets of the same size on multiple streets normally indicates weakness; 22 wouldnt be showing weakness
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03-25-2015 , 04:45 PM
^agreed.

If Villian had 22 he's not betting 40 on the turn and 40 on the river. I'd probably shove turn. 40 turn bet doesnt scream that he's strong.
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