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I think what he is trying to say, in a rude way. Is that in this spot, USUALLY, you have the best of it OTF. So, it makes no sense to let the other players continue to draw on you that are behind you. The flop bettor may, or may not be ahead of you. In my experiences usually they are not ahead, however you can easily find out by raising this flop to about 75. The other two behind will fold or reveal their hand, and certainly the first Villain will also reveal.

If he calls you, you need to proceed with caution but you probably still have him beat. If he raises you, you can easily fold, cause he has you.

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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly

i'm confused. you raised to $15 pre. got six callers 6x15=$90. you said there was $60 in the pot.

after he bets $25 into what should be $90, the pot is $115. you have $185 left. you have TPTK. raise and get it in.

as played pretty much the nut worst river card you can see. fold and feel pretty crappy about it.

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Originally Posted by Axel Foley

Although I don't like the attitude of the other poster, I do actually agree with him here. If OP's image is "oh, he's raising ATC," then CO can a) feel concerned that BTN will check behind his non-ace hands and allow OESDs and gut shots to get a free card, and b) think he might have the best ace with AQ/AJ/AT. Also, betting into five people is a bit different when four of them have already checked. I think a raise to isolate the donker is fine, although I would probably fold to a check/3bet from one of the other four players as long as they aren't very LAGish. When we flat here we create good odds for gut shots and two pair draws to continue, so we also want to raise to charge a decent price for all the possible straight draws.

yeah, you guys are absolutely right.

i thought the pre flop raiser opened the action on the flop. not sure how much that changes things, but to me that screams strength while him leading after being checked to makes his range much wider.

also if the real pot is $25 into $90 then yea, theres no way his range is what i described in my first couple of posts. $25 into $90 is a beat of weakness and you should raise.

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09-19-2013 , 03:37 PM

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-C-P-

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I just ignore weak donk bets like this from loose passives and do whatever I was going to do when it got around to me anyway. They aren't thinking about position or anything like that. They typically hit a piece and are uncomfortable with being bet into or scared of a big flop bet. I love these type of guys, especially when you have position because this is how huge pots get built. You will be loving life here when you hold a hand like 79o and have direct odds to hit a well disguised gut shot..

Its another thing if its a nitty reg doing it...

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09-19-2013 , 03:49 PM

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RyanAA44

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Originally Posted by Maybe_memories

Really?? We should play sometime.

Obv flop raise. Dunno why you cant make it $75 and fold to action from behind you. You butchered this, most likely because you're a nit lol.

Agree. Raise to 75... A lot of times that's a blocker bet when they lead out (straight or flush draw) or they have a small pair and want to see if they can catch 2 pair or trips on turn. Either way, you're holding AK on a perfect board for those cards. If they play back at you on top of the 75, that's when I consider a fold. But just calling the flop is bad cause you have no idea where you're at and it gives more of a reason for the others to call (they feel priced in even if they have a back back back back door straight).
If he calls your raise of 75 and checks the turn, I almost always bet it regardless of turn card. You have too. You're holding a premium hand... We always want to feel 100% about a situation when you're throwing chips in, and with AK on a dry board like that I'm 90% sure I'm ahead and you need to show them you are especially with action behind you.

Last edited by RyanAA44; 09-19-2013 at 03:55 PM. Reason: Didn't take into account the chip sizes... If he plays back at you on flop, call. If he beats you, he beats you... Reload

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09-19-2013 , 03:52 PM

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RyanAA44

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Originally Posted by deerpathdave

I like the raise on the flop as well, but I am viewing it as controlling the betting. I don't want to end up with a big pot with just top pair. I know if I get a raise I can fold to the better hand. I expect to get a call and then a check on the turn, which I can then check back. I may also make him nervous enough to check the river as well, so I effectively could check the hand down to the river with just the one bet on the flop. I am likely taking all the bluff out of his game with the raise and allowing me to control the betting on the turn and river.

I do like this too, but you also want value from your hand. Like I said, he could have a small pair and will call a bet of 50 on river if checked to you. Most fish don't play back unless they have a monster but they feel obligated to call a bet of 50 knowing they threw in 75 already

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09-19-2013 , 06:38 PM

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oneleggedemu

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Originally Posted by losttrappist

In games where everybody likes to see a flop and you have a premium holding you need to make it 5xbb+1bb per limper. In this case with six limpers your pf raise should be to 22.

What are other players thoughts on PF size?