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Hero: early 20s asian. Raising a bunch of hands huge like to $15-$25 preflop. Super wide range. I would keep making huge value bets when i had a good hand and people would just keep calling me down.

Villain: tag late 20s asian. Plays pretty solid with a huge stack in front of him. I just see him winning huge pots with nice value hands while im sitting here.

Stacks:
BB: $200
Hero (hijack): $600
Villain (button): $1200

Folds to hero. Hero has QQ in the hijack and raises to $20. Villain and BB calls.

Flop(~$60): Q J 3 rainbow
BB checks, Hero checks (probably a mistake but i flopped the nuts so i want to slowplay) villain checks.

Turn: 6 still rainbow
BB checks, looks like a harmless card but hero cant check anymore. I bet $45. Villain and bb calls

River($195): 7
bb checks, Hero bet 150 (after i bet, i realized i now have the second nuts but then thought, no way someone has the nuts.) Villain snap goes all in. Bb folds. Im faced with a $385 decision for my whole stack in which i worked so hard to build. I kept asking the guy if he had 5-4 but he wouldnt Respond and wouldnt even look at me. I kept saying i flopped the nuts and he has no reaction. What should hero do?

This deep with an aggro image we need to be building pots. Not betting this flop is criminal. There are a ton of hands we get value from on this board.

As played I doubt I am folding river as villain can easily overplay 66, 77, hell an oddly played JJ or 33.

But the takeaway from this is when you have a LAG I,age and are deep in multi way pots we need to bet every chance we get when we flop big

Call w/o the theatrics. You're getting ~2.3-1 on a call. Even against a range like 66, AdAh,KdKh,JdJh,JhJs,KTs,54s,54o you are only ~ 3-2 dog.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: QhJs3c6d7s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 61.54% 61.54% 0.00% { 66, AdAh, KdKh, JdJh, JhJs, KTs, 54s, 54o }
MP3 38.46% 38.46% 0.00% { QQ }

In reality your villain is moving in w/ a more favorable range than this, imo. He may have two pair combos, and probably some more bluffs.

Im just wondering what hands i can get value from on the flop? Only draws like KT or T9, Possibly AJ, on rare occasions AQ/KQ.

Of course i call this and was devastated with the result.
But villain did have 54 by the way. 54 off suit i might add. He said he called the 20 pre because i was raising a lot of hands pre. Oh well, it was a cooler and he wouldnt have got there if i bet the flop.

Looks like he may hit his set on the river. I'll call and thank him later. 45 calling your big raise preflop don't think likely.

Chris, based on this hand and the other one you posted today, I would say you have some leaks in your thought process.

Hero is raising a lot, range super wide, value bets his big hands.....


...and then you check this flop.

Would you bet QJ here? How about 9T? KT? AQ? Seriously, exactly how much of your range checks this flop? I'm less worried about this particular hand than the fact that you are really tipping your hand strength in both posted hands. As long as you play your monsters this way, you will win small pots and lose big ones, DUCY?

Also, you mention that if you bet the flop, 45 never gets there. OK, maybe, but you should be indifferent to him getting there or not, you simply must charge him for the privilege of drawing out against you.

Hero should not slowplay. Bet, bet,bet. Don't play like the fish and bet when you miss and check when you have it. Good players will exploit you. I expect to see 45 here often from the player you describe. Could have peeled with 77 after you check the flop but I think that's less likely. Other poorly played sets are possible too if he likes to slowplay

Unfortunately since you butchered the hand you have to stack off here, you are way underrepped

I mean i flopped the nuts so i really didnt think there was any hand that can call me other than a set. This hand is a little different because i flopped top set on a rainbow board. I would bet QJ, AQ, JJ, 33, KQ 100% of the time. Betting KT or T9 most of the time maybe even AK. I will also bet complete air sometimes too. The only hands i am checking are exactly QQ, complete air, and sometimes open ended straight draws. How does that sound?

I just feel like my hand is too strong to bet this flop. And i most likely wont get any callers. And also i did charge the 54 to get there but he wasnt really going anywhere after he turned open ended. If i bet the flop he would have never turned the draw to call me on the turn

you need to subtract about 95% of the range you assigned here. Hands like AA/KK/KTs are not jamming this river deep when hero bets $150 at 1/2... hands like two pair are not jamming here. Your range you assign is like villains flop range, not his river 3! overshove range which would be much , much narrower.

OP your thought process is: i want to check b/c it isnt possible for villain to have a piece of this flop, but you are wrong.. hands like KT, AJ, AK, T9, JT, all may call here, as well as other hands that just may see you as cbetting as a bluff, or may just float you here. People call with hands that i cannot even begin to imagine calling with and you need to allow them to make the mistake of calling here. There are situations where checking top set would be good but when there is one person after you to act in a non-3! pot , i would just bet here for value and try to get as much money in as possible, missing one whole street is disastrous.

Thank you, i learned to bet top set now when i flop it. I had this really bad habit of always checking top set even when there is a flush draw on board.

I got some questions though, what if the board is Q 7 2 rainbow? Or Q J J? Or Q 2 2? Or Q K K? Or Q Q 2? Or Q Q A? What should i do on those boards? I would normally check.

Tell us why you are checking so we can better reply

This is live poker you can get called by a lot of hands here: KT, T9 obv but also T8, 89,AT, AJ, KJ, JT, J9, the unlikely Qx, 33, JJ, AK. Now not all of these hands will call you every time but they will call you waaaaaay more often then you seem to think they will. Your leak seems to be your opponents think "properly" and the reality is most live players don't.

QUOTE=bwslim69;43212125]Tell us why you are checking so we can better reply[/QUOTE]

I'm checking those flops because it seems as though my hand is too strong to bet and I want to let people "catch up." Do you agree with what im saying? I'm referring to all those boards I listed. Should I bet any of those boards?

You're right. Got to bet this board next time

Excellent troll OP

We had this exact same thread like 24 hrs ago in which OP flopped top set with QQ on a Q63 flop and made some microscopic flop bet that called multiway, then a 7 hit the turn and OP sh*t his pants because he now had the 2nd nuts and was facing an all in. I see what you did there OP! Plenty of posters took the bait. Wp

Youre wrong, I didnt know there was another post that was similar to this. This hand actually happened to me. It seems as though YOU are the one trolling haha

But anyway, I played this hand the other day where I flopped the set of queens, it came Q 7 9 all clubs. I bet this flop of course and get one caller. The turn comes a Q. Should I bet or check? And if I do bet, shiuld it be a small bet to let him chase a flush if he is on a draw?

Your action on the turn in this spot depends on your opponents tendencies, stack sizes, etc. You have all of the Qs, so you can only expect to get value from 99, 77, and big flushes. For the most part, if your villain is a thinking player, he won't be too happy about chasing a four flush in this spot because a)the draw will be incredibly transparent and b) the board is paired. Without knowing anything about villain, I'd say checking to induce bluffs isn't too bad, except I'm not sure if a c/r nets you any action. Plus, villain doesn't have a ton of value combos, so betting the turn will find a lot of folds.

This spot is a lot more complicated than your first one imo.

You have to bet this flop. Especially with a competent deep tag behind you. He is going to assume you are c-betting almost all of your wide range anyway. He doesn't have to give you much credit. If he has any piece of this board, or designs on floating, he's not going anywhere.

As played, no way you can fold river, your hand is underrepped, and there are lots of worse hands he can jam with.

In this hand, I checked the turn and he also checks and the river is a brick and I bet the river huge (pot sized bet equaling like 70% of his stack) and he snap calls. He can also call me with second pair thinking I was bluffing. He couldve put me on a missed flush draw. I had no idea what he had.

Just want to comment that there has been some good advice itt

I always c-bet my monsters. I almost always c-bet 1 pair. Whether I c-bet my draws in position is dependent on who i'm playing against and board texture. Whether I c-bet air is dependent on board texture.

That's pretty much my standard rule.

And if I were villain, i'd probably call preflop too. I wouldn't call the turn unless I was certain you were polarized. Which, after your flop check, you almost always are. This way I could bluff a ton of rivers if you check, or happily fold if I miss and you bet, or happily get you to stack off if you are on the top end of your range.

As played, it's a tough spot. I honestly don't know what I would do. Since your range looks hyper-polarized, he might not even raise here with 33, 66, 77. I'd like to say I would fold, but i'm not quite sure.

Grunch.

Bet flop, $35-$45 IMO. Not doing so is criminal IMO.

If I raise pre-flop and flop the nutzz, I'm taking a bet/bet/bet line near 100% on the time. Would need a very good read to do anything different.

As played call.

What's with so many people in this forum playing top set of Q's so poorly lately?

Just read the responses, heh. Seems everything I said has already been covered lol.

Anyway... +1