105bb effective 2/5 NL

5 way limp. Chk in BB with 9c9h

Flop 9s8s6h

One check.
Hero bets 20.
Ep and Mp call 20.
Rest fold.
SB (rec player) makes it 105 to go.

Get it in or Flat and get it in on the turn? Anyone ever find a fold here?

• Villain/villains has/have smaller sets ==> might as well get it in now because it's all going in anyway

• Villain/villains have flush or straight draws ==> get it in now to wreck their draw odds as much as possible while you can. Depending on each villains remaining stack size it may be correct for one or more of them to call

• Villain holds T7, the one hand that's ahead of you ==> still get it in, because it's unlikely that someone actually has T7, and if they do you have two cards to come to make the boat.

You have nearly complete information right now (2nd nuts with the top set, no made flush possible, only one combo ahead of you), and flatting to look at the turn card gives the opponents more useful information (they made their flush or straight draw, or didn't make it) than it gives you. (Hmm, third spade came, did someone make their flush?, etc).

Find a fold??? Seriously?

Get it in now to charge the draws the maximum, and if someone holds T7 plan to suck out with a full house.

If you get sucked out on, well, you got it in with great equity. Reload.

Straight is also there for 57 LDO.

On a board this wet though, I probably make it $240 and GII now or OTT. Rec fish can be doing this with all kinds of hands that aren't straights.

Also, I'd make it $30 PF. That's an awful lot of limpers.

Never a fold and I'm probably just getting it in here and I'm happy about it about it. This type of board has so many combos of drawing hands that limp pre. Some dudes limp T7 or 57 sure, but they also limp 98, 96, 86, 88, 66 maybe spazzing out with 77, A7 trying to get you to fold, or even AA/KK that limped pre trying to get someone to raise and decided they didn't care if it was 5 way's they are getting their over pair all-in.

Even the times you are behind you have equity so ya... BTW I am not an expert, please do not take my advice as solid. This is more my way of seeing if anyone agrees with anything I've said or calls me an idiot...

I'm almost always raising here pre-flop fwiw. Of course if there is a tight old dude known for the whole limp and raise big pairs pre type dude I'm checking to set mine. Most of the time raise to 33ish$.

$50 pre unless you'll just get three or more callers. As played you can definitely hero fold IF villain is really passive enough to only raise straights here. But shove as played without better reads.

presumably you are playing exploitably at this table. seems like by far the most likely outcome if you make it 50 is all folds. you should probably do this when you have 72 or something.

to op, i dont know if "rec player" is enough info to really make much of a statement. some information of what he has done at the table would be helpful.
totally readless, 3b/gii on the flop is prob the best line. flatting isn't great cuz the players behind get a decent price to call with whatever draw they have.

Readless your average villain will likely raise 6X, 7X, some will raise JxT or JTx, of course JT, as well as all lower sets.

So, I don't really feel like folding it an option here.

Raise to $275 and call if he shoves.

If he flats jam all turns that are not a spade, 7, T, or 5.

I'm never folding top set in this spot for 100bb. There are way too many combo draws, sets, and 2p hands in our villains' ranges that can raise this flop.

click it back to $260-ish, and play for stacks on 100% of all turns. Reason being, again, too many combos and draws that can make the flop raise. As a whole, yes there are a ton of scary cards, 7, T, 5, or spade. However, against one villain, he really can only have one hand even though we can range him wider than one hand. So a scare card can hit that still misses villain, however villain can/will still shove his entire range when said scare card hits on the turn. Since we have a set and SPR will be less than 0.5, we can go ahead and get it in on all turns.

Thanks for the well thought out reply. This makes sense to me.

cant justify folding top set in a limped pot. i like your flop lead, now i probably raise to 220ish to induce V to gii. i dont know anything about V but its doubtful anybody at 2/5 is folding a set on this board so maybe i just shove

So in 2-5 games where you expect 3 or more people to limp call pre flop, how much are you raising? Or just checking through?

If we flat and everyone flats behind, the only cards that don't give us > 30% turn equity vs {sets, T7s, 98, 7x, 6:spade x, Ax, JT} repeated three times are the T or any 7 -- 5 cards, 11% of turns.

So why not try and get three stacks?