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Old 06-05-2015, 12:58 AM   #1
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Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

$2/3 NL

Hero bought in $300 and ran it up to $1050 in 1.5 hours. Sitting on $800 now after I flopped 2 pair in small raised pot and underpair turned set after I bet flop

So hand before this asian to my left who is stuck a lot lost most of his chips as has $24 left.

On the hand he straddles and I'm in bb. Before cards are even dealt in almost positive he's going all in obv.

Limps to me in BB, I look down at 1010. I decide to overcall knowing he's gonna go all in and planning on comfortably value raise if no one back raises before me.

Straddler goes AI,
3 people call, including button who has me covered. All other callers have less than $300.

I raise to $85, quickly folds to button who flats.

Flop ($~240) Qs10h5d

Hero bets $120, button calls

Turn ($480) 7d
Hero jams $565, thoughts?
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Old 06-05-2015, 01:04 AM   #2
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

wouldve bet a tad more on the flop to set up the turn shove but looks great to me.
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Old 06-05-2015, 01:12 AM   #3
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

What reads do you have on button?

Line is great so far. I'd rather bet $300 here, leaving ~265 auto-shove for river against most villains. That leaves him with the same practical choice, but allows him to bet all-in instead of calling all-in.
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:10 AM   #4
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

Why jamming here? You want him to fold, or to pay you off? There are not draws except the turned diamonds, or an open ended (8x9x or Jx9x), but thats unlikely. The only thing can beat you is a Queens set, and again is unlikely because he might have raised before flop… I mean, whats your read in this guy? Would he flat queens on the button? What did you put him on that makes a jam a good play?

There is some missing info, besides your read on the button villain:
What TT do we have?
What do you think is your image right now? When you have been taking the previous pots, have you showed your cards? Have you taken the same line here before, limp-raise-bet-jam (or bet)? If your image is strong the obvious play here from the villain is to fold.

So might be is to show some "weakness". Im torn between checking, and under betting. If checking, to a bet, you hollywood-tank a call, and jam the river. Underbetting, if called, jam the river as well. If a straight/flush hits, oh well. So far now you have almost a 90% equity against a range all over the place (AA-55, AQ, AK, KQ, KJ, J9, QJ, Q9, QT, 98…)

Jamming here is probably a mistake.
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:29 AM   #5
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

I think jamming may of been a mistake.

I wouldn't say it's bad and totally fine - but I think checking is probably better.

Flop is fine - could of gone bigger. Considering you flopped gin and it's likely he has no draws I don't mind checking turn but it's very likely he checks back. I think you played the hand fine and got good value.
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:33 AM   #6
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

I don't like jamming here as I think it generates too many folds. Don't like checking all that much either without reads that villain is likely to bet here. I'd just get him on the installment plan and bet $250 on the turn and the rest on the river.
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Old 06-05-2015, 04:45 AM   #7
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

$245 OTT, and the rest OTR
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Old 06-05-2015, 04:58 AM   #8
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

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I think jamming may of been a mistake.

I wouldn't say it's bad and totally fine - but I think checking is probably better.

Flop is fine - could of gone bigger. Considering you flopped gin and it's likely he has no draws I don't mind checking turn but it's very likely he checks back. I think you played the hand fine and got good value.
oh i didn't know you were that deep.

Ya you gotta bet - never mind this

just bet something to jam river - $200 - $300 is fine
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Old 06-05-2015, 08:06 AM   #9
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

Bet a slightly larger on the flop say $150 which makes to pot $540 and you would have $535 behind to then AII.
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:41 AM   #10
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

I would bet $200 here.
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Old 06-05-2015, 10:08 AM   #11
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

if youre pretty sure nobody is tricky enough to limp call JJ+ to induce a backraise then i shove pre. too many bad flops for TT.
bet $250 on turn. no point scaring someone off. bet a little bigger on flop
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Old 06-05-2015, 10:20 AM   #12
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

Jam ott probably fine in many spots. Makes H look like AK.

Definitely bet at least $225 if not jamming.

Congrats on a great line.
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Old 06-05-2015, 12:16 PM   #13
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

I like the preflop plan and raise size, which woulda left about a PSB shove on any flop against most of the shorter stacks.

SPR is less than 3 on the flop. Board ain't too drawy, but there are straight draws. Unless Villain can be super bluffy, I probably wouldn't screw around here. I'd just bet enough on the flop where I can get the rest in on the turn (say $200). If board were slightly less drawy, I think I'd be cooler with 3 small sucker bets, although I guess that still wouldn't be horrible.

If we were planning on jamming turn (which I'm fine with) then I wish we woulda bet more on the flop so that we didn't need to overshove.

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Old 06-05-2015, 12:26 PM   #14
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

Bets 50% PSB on flop
Jams 120% PSB on turn

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Old 06-05-2015, 01:12 PM   #15
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

Unless the button flopped a set he's probably thinking seriously about folding. Is getting called only by other flopped sets what you were trying to accomplish?
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Old 06-05-2015, 01:26 PM   #16
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

I'm confused...you are playing $300 eff right? So that puts you at around $215 less than 1 spr. Why don't you just ship OTF? V in most cases will go with their hand or they won't call at all and we win $240.

Also I hate your pre flat...if V checks for some reason you could lose money.
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Old 06-05-2015, 01:49 PM   #17
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

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I'm confused...you are playing $300 eff right? So that puts you at around $215 less than 1 spr. Why don't you just ship OTF? V in most cases will go with their hand or they won't call at all and we win $240.

Also I hate your pre flat...if V checks for some reason you could lose money.
I think we're sitting with $800 and Villain covers.

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Old 06-05-2015, 02:24 PM   #18
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

Surprised nobody's commented on preflop: isn't the raise kind of small considering we're OOP against 3 callers with a hand we're going to hate on a lot of flops?
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Old 06-05-2015, 03:22 PM   #19
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Surprised nobody's commented on preflop: isn't the raise kind of small considering we're OOP against 3 callers with a hand we're going to hate on a lot of flops?
I was thinking that too with $100 already in the pot. But against the <= $300 stacks, I think we're cool with hoping to get action from just one player and leaving ourselves with a ~PSB to shove on any flop.

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Old 06-05-2015, 04:37 PM   #20
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

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Surprised nobody's commented on preflop: isn't the raise kind of small considering we're OOP against 3 callers with a hand we're going to hate on a lot of flops?
Since there were only limpers, I'm fine with the sizing.

Its kind of a special case though, given the limps and the small straddle.

If, for example, Strdl had $40 and someone opened to $15, then H overcalls the $15, Strdl shoves, Hero can either move in, or make a big raise.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:17 PM   #21
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

So, what happened after the All in OTT?
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Old 06-10-2015, 04:53 PM   #22
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So, what happened after the All in OTT?
He practically insta called with QJdd and hit diamond
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:18 AM   #23
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He practically insta called with QJdd and hit diamond
Cooler. Dictionary definition. You got what you wanted and took a beat. Knock the dust off and know that a V who can't fold TP to a turn shove because they also picked up a flush draw is not thinking about your cards and will print money for you later.

As played I go a little bigger pre because you are OOP and limp callers often means weak aces and paint cards, which makes TT tough to play on a lot of flops. Slightly more than half on flop to make turn shove sizing better.

But there was nothing you could do differently that would have prevented this outcome, and you want that turn call all day. You were a 4:1 favorite.
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Old 06-11-2015, 10:30 AM   #24
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

Without more reads turn shove seems pretty bad.

I prefer either smaller bet of 180-200ish to set up river shove, c/rai (my fave but slightly risky), or c/value bet river.

villian made extremely bad call in this case and binked. gg. you should really have some reads on him though ...
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Old 06-11-2015, 11:08 AM   #25
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Re: Flop a set in awesome spot. How's my line?

I would go bigger pre

I agree with most that its better to get it in on turn and river. He has few draws in his range that call a turn shove
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