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Flop set 66 but then an argument breaks out Flop set 66 but then an argument breaks out

09-02-2015 , 05:45 PM
2/5 1k cap
Folds to early thirties asian reg solid player who opens $20 (1k) CO
Fishy Israeli mid twenties studying to be a doctor loose preflop calls (2k) BU
SB whale Indian man splashing every hand and random erratic huge overbet bluffs calls (1k)
Hero BB 66 calls (1k)
Flop (80) AsTs6c SB checks, Hero checks, CO reg hasn't acted yet, BU young Israeli kid checks oot and then the CO speaks up and says "I didn't do anything" and he looks frustrated and throws in a black chip as a bet.
The Israeli kid then gets heated and says "you checked you checked!" And is looking at me for validation. For some reason the dealer and Indian man in Sb are looking at me as if asking well? Ok so the asian reg in CO and the Israeli BU had another heated altercation earlier ending w the Asian cussing out the Israeli. Basically whenever the Asian reg bet out a stack of chips, the Israeli while sitting right next to him would match the stack perfectly, stacks touching besides each other. Idk if that makes sense? The Asian then says "stop touching my chips!" Lol. Than they went back and forth in heated argument lol. Anyways back to the hand. So the Asian reg is now heated again and is raising his voice saying I didn't do anything! I have a set and am planning on giving action to the 100 bet so I don't want to say he didn't check and then call the hundred because that makes it look like Im just saying that so I can get more money in the pot w my huge hand. I instead say "I didn't see him check but idk..." lol the Indian man than says he didn't check he didn't check. So the Israeli kid finally shuts up and the 100 bet plays. 2 folds and it's now to me. I felt raising here after that weird situation would look so strong, so I oppted to flat planning on ck jamming turns?
Turn (280) 9cc. Hero checks. CO bets 280 w 500 remaining. Hero jams.
Is this line ok? Or nah?
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09-02-2015 , 05:56 PM
Were you telling the truth? Was flatting and jamming turn your plan? If so, it's fine. If you changed your action because of your "action," then it's not OK. Pretty simple.
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09-02-2015 , 06:07 PM
Either way you should play a set like this and hope that the villain has top pair and let him bet one more time on the turn
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09-02-2015 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Were you telling the truth? Was flatting and jamming turn your plan? If so, it's fine. If you changed your action because of your "action," then it's not OK. Pretty simple.
Changed my action because of my action? Not sure what you mean.. But when I oppted to flat the 100 on the flop rather than raising, yes I'm telling the truth, I was doing that w the plan of check jamming most turns...
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09-02-2015 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Were you telling the truth? Was flatting and jamming turn your plan? If so, it's fine. If you changed your action because of your "action," then it's not OK. Pretty simple.
Not sure what you mean here either, but changing your plan based on the table dynamics is obviously okay. IMO
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09-02-2015 , 11:22 PM
Your line is fine.

The rest is more of a LCP forum question. Where was the dealer during all this? He or she should have been answering all the questions. If they weren't comfortable, they should have called the floor. It isn't your job to run the table. If quizzed, I say, "what's your ruling, dealer?"

Of course the dealer is allowing a player to make stacks next to another bet, so he or she is probably terrible. The faster solution would be to call the floor over so that the ruling can be made and the dealer can get corrective training.
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09-02-2015 , 11:29 PM
I died laughing reading all of the villain's behavior during the hand.
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09-02-2015 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
The rest is more of a LCP forum question.
Since OP has a low post count, I will note that LCP=Live Casino Poker, which is more for non-strategy questions about live play, such as proper procedure and etiquette. Here is a link to that forum.
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09-03-2015 , 07:27 AM
Is he calling the turn ai with AK-AJ?
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09-03-2015 , 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllinPark
2/5 1k cap
Folds to early thirties asian reg solid player who opens $20 (1k) CO
Fishy Israeli mid twenties studying to be a doctor loose preflop calls (2k) BU
SB whale Indian man splashing every hand and random erratic huge overbet bluffs calls (1k)
Hero BB 66 calls (1k)
Flop (80) AsTs6c SB checks, Hero checks, CO reg hasn't acted yet, BU young Israeli kid checks oot and then the CO speaks up and says "I didn't do anything" and he looks frustrated and throws in a black chip as a bet.
The Israeli kid then gets heated and says "you checked you checked!" And is looking at me for validation. For some reason the dealer and Indian man in Sb are looking at me as if asking well? Ok so the asian reg in CO and the Israeli BU had another heated altercation earlier ending w the Asian cussing out the Israeli. Basically whenever the Asian reg bet out a stack of chips, the Israeli while sitting right next to him would match the stack perfectly, stacks touching besides each other. Idk if that makes sense? The Asian then says "stop touching my chips!" Lol. Than they went back and forth in heated argument lol. Anyways back to the hand. So the Asian reg is now heated again and is raising his voice saying I didn't do anything! I have a set and am planning on giving action to the 100 bet so I don't want to say he didn't check and then call the hundred because that makes it look like Im just saying that so I can get more money in the pot w my huge hand. I instead say "I didn't see him check but idk..." lol the Indian man than says he didn't check he didn't check. So the Israeli kid finally shuts up and the 100 bet plays. 2 folds and it's now to me. I felt raising here after that weird situation would look so strong, so I oppted to flat planning on ck jamming turns?
Turn (280) 9cc. Hero checks. CO bets 280 w 500 remaining. Hero jams.
Is this line ok? Or nah?
Grunch:

Seems totally fine. You could conceivably c/r flop because "OMG Asian bets a ton because he is tilting..." or whatever. He may think you're raising just because the altercation f***s up the action so hard and look you up with all of his Ax, KK, QQ, JJ.

Any idea what his flop overbet signifies?
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09-03-2015 , 09:00 AM
I just meant if you lied about his checking or not checking or changed your action in the hand based on your actions about the argument (what you said), then I don't like it. But apparently you didn't do that so it's fine.
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09-03-2015 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I just meant if you lied about his checking or not checking or changed your action in the hand based on your actions about the argument (what you said), then I don't like it. But apparently you didn't do that so it's fine.
I see nothing wrong either way. If the whole table looked to a PLAYER who is INVOLVED IN THE POT for a ruling on an action, then they all got what they deserved. lol It's funny that the dealer even asked you.

People shoot angles all the time. Not saying OP shot an angle (in fact, I assume he didn't). But this opportunity is exactly why the dealers and floor people are there. They are supposed to prevent the players from angling and so forth.Z
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09-03-2015 , 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllinPark
2/5 1k cap
Folds to early thirties asian reg solid player who opens $20 (1k) CO
Fishy Israeli mid twenties studying to be a doctor loose preflop calls (2k) BU
SB whale Indian man splashing every hand and random erratic huge overbet bluffs calls (1k)
Hero BB 66 calls (1k)

Flop (80) AsTs6c SB checks, Hero checks, CO reg hasn't acted yet, BU young Israeli kid checks oot and then the CO speaks up and says "I didn't do anything" and he looks frustrated and throws in a black chip as a bet.
There hasn't been substantial action behind the CO, so he should be able to bet. He quickly spoke up.

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Originally Posted by AllinPark
The Israeli kid then gets heated and says "you checked you checked!" And is looking at me for validation. For some reason the dealer and Indian man in Sb are looking at me as if asking well? Ok so the asian reg in CO and the Israeli BU had another heated altercation earlier ending w the Asian cussing out the Israeli. Basically whenever the Asian reg bet out a stack of chips, the Israeli while sitting right next to him would match the stack perfectly, stacks touching besides each other. Idk if that makes sense? The Asian then says "stop touching my chips!" Lol. Than they went back and forth in heated argument lol.
The Israelis are excellent at getting under people's skin. Just ask the Palestinians & Obama

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Originally Posted by AllinPark
Anyways back to the hand. So the Asian reg is now heated again and is raising his voice saying I didn't do anything! I have a set and am planning on giving action to the 100 bet so I don't want to say he didn't check and then call the hundred because that makes it look like Im just saying that so I can get more money in the pot w my huge hand. I instead say "I didn't see him check but idk..." lol the Indian man than says he didn't check he didn't check. So the Israeli kid finally shuts up and the 100 bet plays. 2 folds and it's now to me. I felt raising here after that weird situation would look so strong, so I oppted to flat planning on ck jamming turns?
Turn (280) 9cc. Hero checks. CO bets 280 w 500 remaining. Hero jams.
Is this line ok? Or nah?
I would have, on the flop, announced b4 touching my chips "I announce raise before touching my chips so that "Mr Israeli" can't accuse me of just calling when I cut out $100.00."
I would prefer to be friends with the Asian. I would then ask for a seat change button to get behind them.
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