$1/3, midnight, 6 tables running, mostly loose passive play, 3-4 players straddling

Hero: $750, playing true TAG, I have played about 10 hands in 3 hours and have entered for a raise 7 times, called a small open in lp twice and checked my option with a trash hand once

V1: $500, older guy (60s) likes to run the show and is always talking and being demonstrative, plays loose, usually wins big or loses big, likes to gamble but good enough to not give it away, a reg and we have 20+ hours together

V2: $1200, unknown came from another game that broke 5 minutes ago, white guy 30s with a hoodie

Hero is BB, V1 is straddle, V2 is button

Hero has 6c7c

Pre: 6 people call the $6 straddle, hero considers all 3 options and calls the $3, V1 checks, $48 Pot

Flop: 3c4c5c

Hero checks, V1 starts laughing shows the Ac to the table and bets $25 saying let’s build a pot...everyone is confused and one of the players tries to get his hand killed, the floor rules that his hand is live and action is eventually on the next player after about 5 minutes, folds to V2 who was quiet and serious as was Hero during the ordeal and he makes it $75 with 3 $25 chips

Hero? Thoughts on pre? Are we leading the flop with the immortal nuts into 7 limpers? What is V1 thinking? I have never seen him do anything like deliberately showing cards before. He has been 100% normal to this point.

Flat now, but I probably would have led this flop. There are a lot of draws on a flop like this, especially with a limped straddle pot. You will get calls.

V1 has Ac2c. Bad beat. NH. I’d flat the $75 and let the craziness continue.

Pf don't see merit for anything except calling the $3.
On the flop easy check call.

Very interesting. I don't know what to make of V1's exposing - does that push him towards much flushes or less?

I keep going back and forth on this but I think call is ok. V1 will raise his flushes for protection - if raises enough to fold out V2 then you can just click it back and get all the money in on the flop. If V1 raises but V2 sticks, then you can again min-raise and neither of them will be able to get away.

If you raise then you give V1 a chance to fold out his flush draws, and if he does have the flush then you risk him raising and folding out V2. Calling seems best to keep them both in the pot.

It's pretty hard to misplay the supernuts.

Flat call seems fine though a turn club, 2, or 6 might kill the action. Personally I probably make a small raise, like to 180 maybe. I expect V1 and V2 to both call almost always. It sounds like V1 might have A2 but maybe just the NF or NFD (perhaps something like Ac5x), but in any case he isn't folding to a small raise. V2 probably has a set or straight. Maybe 2p. It's doubtful he folds any of this. A small raise seems like the best path to stacking V2, which I think is your main goal here.

Just flatting and raising later you can probably get V1's stack but to get both you probably need a raise now.

This.

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This would be an insanely nitty fold and raising would be pure spew. If you are going to bluff raise, pick a hand at the top of your folding range, don't waste a profitable call. But you can call a lot of hands profitably here, unless the straddler is a habitual raiser when limped to him.

I have no idea what to make of deliberately showing a card like this in a multiway pot. I've only seen people show one card a few times, and almost always if they show a card it's because they want you to think they're weak when they are strong, although that card could go both ways. It's incredibly stupid though because now any club is an action killer. Usually when you hit the one card A-high flush you try and extract a couple bucks from the K/Q high, but he just made that impossible.

Whether I lead or check in these spots depends on where the live/aggressive ones are in the hand. If they are right on my left, I lean towards check and try to trap the field with a check/raise. If they are on my right I'll just lead out. It sounds like check ended up being right here.

I just flat now. If all V1 has is a flush draw, a 3-bet could push him out, which you don't want. V2 obviously doesn't believe him. However your call is going to look VERY scary to V2. If the turn is a brick I probably donk it out like 1/2 pot. If it's a club or pairs the board, I queue up the x/r trap.

I wish I got to make these types of decisions more often.

I would raise for sure here and take control of the betting for further streets. V1 is calling most raises and it sounds like V2 could have a set/top two/flush. I would raise it to $230 trying to make it look like you have a vulnerable flush. This lets you lead out on the turn as well because there is a chance it could get checked around if a brick rolls off.

Did you completely ignore the description of what was given? While V1 likes to take control the minute we take your line we turn our hand face up and he lets go. We can easily get back a street of value on the turn.

Flatting keeps our range wide. Cold check/3betting does not. Flatting allows V1 with either what he thinks is the nuts or the nut draw to reraise and get even more action from both Vs. Cold check/3betting does not.

Absolutely it turns our hand face up, we are saying we have a flush and I am giving you the proper odds to beat me. This guy is NEVER folding the A clubs and if V2 has a set he is calling as well 100%.

Build a pot and try to let these guys catch up.

V1 likes to gamble
v2 just raised
why would you kill all action by 3-betting here
let them battle; call along 'and triple up

I'm ok with preflop. Small suited connectors have very poor RIO, which is something we have to be very cautious about postflop.

Is there a BBJ? If so, I just passively check/call to the river; I sleep well at night. With no BBJ I don't hate a donk to start building a pot, but I also don't hate a check.

As played, with a BBJ in play, I take a passive call route here. With no BBJ, and being so deep, I could maybe get behind a minraise and hope to build a monster pot right now.

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We don't need to cold 3bet to build a massive pot. If we flat and V1 only calls (and he very well might raise instead), the pot is going to be $275 heading to the turn, and we have about $420 behind. We can get our stack in very easily.

Expose the 6 and call....no no, just call.

Half the deck could be considered a scare card that may slow down action, no?

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Just call.

Yeah, getting a set to fold would be a disaster here if there is a BBJ in play. These situations are very rare, but when you are in a potential BBJ situation where there is a good chance there is a 1-out draw to it, I think it needs to be considered.

GG, what cards qualify as scare cards when we literally know one of our opponents has the Ac (so no clubs scare him), and V2 also knows this and is raising (meaning he either already has two clubs or a set)?

There are no bad turn cards here. If a club hits, we know V1 has an Ace high flush and won't fold. If a blank hits, V1 will continue to draw and V2 will continue with his set or flush. If the board pairs (only 9 "scare" cards), then V1 might or might not get spooked depending on if he's already flushed, and V2 may get spooked but is just as likely to have boated up and it's all going in.

Thanks guys for the thoughts so far. There is no BBJ. Pre, as Koss mentioned, I could really only see calling. I may fold a similar unsuited hand but suited obv has too much value. I would likely not raise into this huge limper field unless I had a stronger holding. I think if I had it to do over again I would lead the flop but at the time I couldn’t imagine it checking through 7 opponents. I think either is fine.

Back to the action: Hero and V1 call $75 setting a 3 way ~$270 pot headed to the turn

Turn: 3x
Board: 3c4c5c3x

Hero checks and V1 bets $50 lol, V2 pauses for a few seconds and makes it $250

Hero? $570 in the pot, hero has $600 or so behind ($350 additional after calling the $250). Any reason to flat or just stuff it in now? This seems like a spot where flatting looks stronger than raising but does it matter? Lesser flushes can probably find a fold while boats are gii regardless.

I’m still calling again and hoping v1 has a3.

still just calling
why give V1 a reason to fold

Call. We want V1 to jam with his Ace high flushes and still consider calling with his naked Ac draws. If we jam now we deny him both those opportunities.

V2 almost certainly has a boat or quads now so we're going to GII with him regardless. It's time to milk that cow.

yes to flatting turn given sizing - it's trivial to get it on the river, and they are never ever folding a full house