Any A/2/6/7 puts 4-to-a-straight on board, any club put's 4-to-a-flush on board with the shorter stack having shown the Ac, and 3/4/5 pairs the board. Any of these cards could easily slow down the action against the deeper $750 stack depending on what he has, plus some of these cards slow down action against Ac (where he's unlikely to be folding the flop with this hand). They look to be interested in getting in more money now, so let's attempt to do that as well as do the best we can to string the Ac along (which is why I think minraising is the best sizing).

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Kinda not a fan of our turn check as played either; having this check thru would be a disaster and basically removes stacks from being played for.

As played, I've lost track of pot size / stack size, but I'm guessing just flatting here enables us to most likely string the Ac guy along plus still makes it trivial to just shove any river for stacks. Make a mental note to mail these guys a thank-you card for doing all our work for us, cuz if they didn't we could have easily arrived at the river with like a ~3x PSB left.

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4-to-a-straight doesn't matter to people drawing at flushes or boats. If the 4-straight comes on the turn, then we lead out. V1 isn't folding his Ace-high flush or Ace-high FD, and V2 won't be folding his flush or boat draw.

I already talked about how a club or board pairing doesn't kill action. V2's hand is completely face up as either a made flush or a set.

If we were like 2000 deep then sure, lets raise to give ourselves a chance to get it all in. But we're not, we have no problems getting our stack in, so we need to maximize. Raising flop is a very easy way to let V2 (the deeper stack) fold, and maybe just maybe even spook out V1 if he's drawing to the naked Ac.

And this will happen approximately never given flop action and our knowledge of the Ac in V1's hand

Why does the BBJ matter? There's no quads possibility. We block all straight flushes but A2. I guess if just one card has to play we could play as passively as possible hoping a 2 hits, but don't most places require both cards play? If that's the case the BBJ is irrelevant. Either V1 has the lower SF already or doesn't.

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As to the turn action just flat, looks like these guys will dump the money in for you.

Flat, shove the river.

Sets can always quad up ott and river. We dont want to blast a hand like 33 out of the pot when there is a 1 outer to a bbj. Although since no bbj was mentioned maybe it doesnt matter.

Oh, where I play you need pretty high quads for a BBJ so it would take like runner runner J+. I doubt we could get a set to fold in any case. They may put you on a flush or straight but not the straight flush, so they'll figure they have 10 outs with two cards to come.

The BBJ would have to be pretty large for this to be a consideration, no? Like we suppose V2 has a set, flush, or straight, that's 9 combos 76, 12 combos A2, 9 sets, and there are max 21 flushes, 15 of which may be in his range. So we figure optimistically he has a set 9/45 ~ 20% of the time and they'll get there with quads by the river about 4%, and if the payout is typical we get 20% as the winner, so the BBJ aspect is worth .2*.04*.2*BBJAmt = .0016*BBJAmt, so if the BBJ is 30k for instance this is worth max all of $48 (we're assuming V2 never has something like 2p), pre-tip. So in this scenario if we expect another line is worth more than $48 more in EV we should take that line.

All that said, flatting OTF seems fine, though I prefer a small raise. If V2 does have a set, there is no way he folds to a small raise because he figures he's usually against a straight or flush or combo draw and if he boats up could have a big payday. If we bump it up to say $180 OTF he's not folding, and probably not V1 with the NFD. But flat is okay, particularly as I just realized we only have $750 which is really unfortunate here given how deep V2 is. Yeah we can just flat OTF and OTT and stacks will get in by the river easily.

Call turn, shove river. A call or a bet looks insanely strong either way, but I'd give a chance for someone to improve their hand. There aren't really any scare cards that would scare off someone with a hand good enough to call a 3 bet shove on the turn.

V2 likely just has a boat now, he's never folding under any circumstances.

V1 may hit his club and overvalue his hand. It's kinda insane to put a guy on 1 hand, but I think there's a higher than average chance that he just has Ac2c here.

Not sure why hero is asking about this hand, maybe he jammed turn and they both folded actually. Lol. I don't think your "OK I flopped a straight flush what do" strategy really needs much attention.

This would be epic.

Hero flats, V1 flats after much deliberation.

River: 2c
Board: 3c4c5c3x2c

Hero ships it in. V1 Is not happy but says he can’t fold a straight flush and calls it off. V2 open folds 55. Probably won’t ever play a hand like that again. Thought the decisions on each street were interesting. Looking at things from a results oriented pov Hero should have b/b/b and would have stacked V2 also.

Ummmmmm...why on earth did you ship the river? You're lucky V1 is an idiot, since he knows you know he has the Ac.

Also don't be results oriented when literally one of three possible cards hit the river that stopped you from stacking V2. (He might fold if a third 3 comes as well)

According to poker theory betting was the right play. The guy who had the Ac should check because it should be impossible for him to collect any calls. But when hero bets he could worry it's a bluff.

And how many times in LLSNL do you see villains check behind a straight flush?

I've never seen a player expose a straight flush made on the river and then bet it, have you?

I cant say as I have ever seen an exposed straight flush with action still to come. Who knows how V1 will react. He probably still bets it, but he may decide not to bet because everyone knows he has it. I think shipping is fine. You know V1 is not folding, and V2 has to fold quads to a $1 bet, so you might as well ship it in now rather than let this bizarre hand check through.

I think the chances of him figuring out it would be suicidal for Hero to do this as a bluff are significantly higher than the chances of him checking behind.

Also this is why we never show cards.

Is this a real hand? Lol seems like it’s scripted for a Hollywood movie. Rounders part 2. And Why can’t I ever get in situations like this with the Uber nuts with people piling money in?

I think you played it right.

Literally the one card that keeps you from stacking V2 came out. Very unlucky. He's not checking or folding ANY other river.

If this had turned out to be a BBJ hand, you could all thank V1 for screwing the entire table over due to exposing one of his hole cards before all action had ended. This would have nullified the BBJ payout for everyone!

I would have been 🤢🤢🤢 for sure!

As for the hand, it sounded epic. Even though situations like this hardly ever occur, there are still a few lessons to be learned for more common spots that are similar to various points in this hand. (i.e. How to proceed in a multi-way pot after flopping a monster, etc).

Just curious, what were V1s and V2s reactions when they saw what your hole cards were??

In my room the BBJ is quad 88s or better. Having 88+ fold to the flop action only to runner runner quads kinda ruins my day, especially if it was yesterday (where my rooms BBJ is currently $400K).

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