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08-28-2018 , 12:42 AM
1-2 NL 300 cap

Villain - semi competent reg, slightly spewy, probably around a breakeven player with $400 to start
Hero- 19 year old, bantering with other regs and dealers, covers

6 handed. Bomb pot for 10. Hero in the CO with T9o

Flop ($60) QJ8r

Villain in the SB leads for 35. Folds to hero. Hero?

Also what range would you put the SB on?
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08-28-2018 , 01:17 AM
Seems like a clear flat.

Range is prob Qx+, maybe Occasional bluffs like K10s
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08-28-2018 , 01:23 AM
its hard to put a range cause its a bomb pot so he could have a huge range of hands here. i would think though that it consists of all Qx/Jx/QJo/KQo/88/JJ/QQ/K10o/Q10o/AXs/A10s+

IMO just call and see if he keeps firing on the turn. if he does then it would be time to put in the raise or maybe just call and hope he keeps betting on the river. it may be a bit scary if the board pairs
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08-28-2018 , 07:58 AM
I think it’s better to raise to something like 80-100, to set up a small turn bet and river push (if Turn is a safe card).

V’s betting range here should be pretty strong: Jx without draw will not lead into bomb pot very often. Any reasonable Qx hand (ie better than Q7) should have enough strength to call a small raise at flop (AQ/KQ are strong TP, QJ/Q8 make two pairs, and QT/Q9 make TP+GSD). On the other hand, hero’s nuts are actually vulnerable to many bad turn cards: A/K/T/9 may make better str8, Q/J/8 makes FH, so it’s not as locked as it may appear in the first glance. In other words, V folding any draw of these dangerous cards will not be a bad result for H.
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08-28-2018 , 08:19 AM
This is a great spot to raise, hes leading into 5 players here so he has at least a Q. I don't see him folding to a raise here , could make it 85 or 90 just so you price him in a bit and then fire most turns. You could opt to slow play but I think with this many players in the hand im leaning towards raising here.
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08-28-2018 , 10:17 AM
I like a flat because we probably only have a super nutted raising range. I assume we are never raising here as a bluff/semibluff. Since it's impractical to balance a raise range in a bomb pot when SB leads into the field I think we are probably best off calling our entire range. We want to call this lead with lots of hands and need to protect our other hands with the nuts.
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08-28-2018 , 10:36 AM
+1 to a small raise. Take control and ensure stacks get in over the next two streets with moderate turn and river sizing.
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08-28-2018 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
I like a flat because we probably only have a super nutted raising range. I assume we are never raising here as a bluff/semibluff. Since it's impractical to balance a raise range in a bomb pot when SB leads into the field I think we are probably best off calling our entire range. We want to call this lead with lots of hands and need to protect our other hands with the nuts.


You are right, we probably never bluff raise here. However, even V knows that we are 100% raising for value, there’s not much they can do with that info to exploit us. Assuming we raise to 90, which will give him 1:4.3 odds to call: if he folds any TP+draw or two pairs hand, he would have folded 15%+ EV in most cases; if he calls and T is a safe card, he will probably pay again and have a very difficult decision to make on any river when we shove a smaller than pot size bet; if he calls and T is a bad card, he cannot get too much more value from us, because 1) most bad cards that made his hand beat us will also not make his hands nuts and 2) it will make the board very obviously dangerous and H has position. H should be happy with any of these outcomes anyway.
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08-28-2018 , 02:16 PM
+1 for a raise. His range is large, your hand is capped.


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08-28-2018 , 06:10 PM
min-raise
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08-29-2018 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ybyangben
You are right, we probably never bluff raise here. However, even V knows that we are 100% raising for value, there’s not much they can do with that info to exploit us. Assuming we raise to 90, which will give him 1:4.3 odds to call: if he folds any TP+draw or two pairs hand, he would have folded 15%+ EV in most cases; if he calls and T is a safe card, he will probably pay again and have a very difficult decision to make on any river when we shove a smaller than pot size bet; if he calls and T is a bad card, he cannot get too much more value from us, because 1) most bad cards that made his hand beat us will also not make his hands nuts and 2) it will make the board very obviously dangerous and H has position. H should be happy with any of these outcomes anyway.
If we never bluff raise here, then V can exploit us by overfolding. It becomes a guessing game whether V will exploit us by overfolding but this is a possibility. I'm sure many 1/2 players will not fold two pair, sets, KT, etc so I think a small raise is fine as an exploit but if I am playing a boss I think call is the correct play. As you said it isn't like we can get totally owned by raising small or something like that.
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08-30-2018 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by novice123
+1 for a raise. His range is large, your hand is capped.


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How are we capped?
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08-30-2018 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Akromah
How are we capped?


Sorry prolly wrong term. I just mean that your hand can’t improve while opponents can still improve to beat you.


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09-02-2018 , 05:53 PM
Thanks guys,

As played, I raised to 100, he called.

Turn ($260) 6 completing the rainbow

we have 290 eff behind, and he checks to me. What is our sizing here?
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09-02-2018 , 06:41 PM
100-130. I don't mind the smaller side (100) of this. It will still leave us with only 190 to go into 490 OTR. However, if we are convinced he is drawing, we need to size up, not to protect our hand (100 actually does that against all draws), but to get more value while we can. In this case I would look in the 180-190 range.
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09-03-2018 , 08:46 AM
call everything

or raise this and also raise tt-99
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