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Old 08-26-2018, 03:42 PM   #1
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Flop nut straight OOP unraised pot

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UTG I limp, no raises, five players see the flop

Flop ($10) KhQsTs

I bet 5, MP2 calls, BTN makes it 20. BTN and I have 250 effective stacks. I raise 50 more, MP2 folds, BTN thinks for 15 seconds and folds.

Felt like I missed out on an opportunity to win big.

Should I play flop differently?
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Old 08-26-2018, 05:37 PM   #2
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Re: Flop nut straight OOP unraised pot

You want to overbet in these limp pots with your strong hands to build the pot. Ether x/r or bet like $15 or $20.
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Old 08-26-2018, 08:02 PM   #3
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Re: Flop nut straight OOP unraised pot

Bet flop bigger, $10/$15 looks good.

When you get raised it becomes very situational depending on what you know about villain. What sorts of hands is he raising on this flop and what will he call a reraise with? Both flatting and reraising might be the best option.

For the most part though your 3 betting the flop looks like you flopped a straight or monster draw so flat calling is often better. In limped pot villain doesn't likely have a hand worth playing for stacks so you probably need to nurse this along a little. Flat call flop and lead turn for around half the pot.
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Old 08-26-2018, 10:24 PM   #4
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Re: Flop nut straight OOP unraised pot

I think you’re right with the idea of nursing it along a bit more as in limped pot he’s unlikely to have a hand to play for stacks with.

I think most likely he has a pair plus straight draw or two pair. I guess I shouldn’t mind too much giving those hands a free card. If the turn brings another spade then that’s not a disaster for me - in the slim chance he was raising with non-nut flush draw and hits on turn and bets so big I have to fold ... then good luck to him.

If it comes a blank then I like checking (intending to x/r) and if he checks back turn then I can lead most rivers for a good size bet and often get called.
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Old 08-26-2018, 10:36 PM   #5
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Re: Flop nut straight OOP unraised pot

Raise pre for the love of god. You end up flopping the nuts with a strong preflop hand and got nothing out of it because no one was remotely invested in this pot. Button likely folded top pair. It's heavily debated on this board but the most consistent, easy to recognize trend among good players is that good players (almost) never limp.

Your play as played really depends on how much of a fish your opponent is. If he seems exceptionally unintelligent you should always raise and hope he just punches it in with 2p+. If he's a decent reg you should usually call his flop raise, after that a mix of checking/leading turn is going to be best. The flop 3 bet is just too strong to get action from any sort of thinking player, your hand is the lower straight at worst.
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Old 08-26-2018, 10:41 PM   #6
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Re: Flop nut straight OOP unraised pot

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The flop 3 bet is just too strong to get action from any sort of thinking player, your hand is the lower straight at worst.
This. Flatting here almost guarantees a double barrel from villain.
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