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07-28-2015 , 11:40 AM
1/2 home game. Reads:

V1 (UTG - $220) – Loss passive, calling station.
V2 (EP - $610) – 30-ish grinder. Good, TAG player. Don’t think he’s ever going broke in a big pot without a great made hand or great draw.
V3 (SB - covers) – Very loose pre, playing almost ATC to big raises. Post-flop usually will slow down unless he has something but probably overvalues top pair, haven’t seen him bluff.
H (BB -$550) – Image should be pretty good. Just doubled up with AA after I 3-bet and got called on a TT5 board. Been chatting with V3 about baseball much of the night.

Game in general has been very loose, with a couple players (including one who’s not really relevant here) calling any bet pre.

UTG straddles to $10. V2 calls, 2 other callers, V3 calls, H calls with 76o (no clubs), UTG checks his option.
I know some may view this as a fold, but with stacks this deep I’m pretty happy to pay $8 for a chance to win a huge pot.

Flop ($55) – 854cc

V1 checks, H bets $40. Figured I flopped the nuts, I have to bet it.

Action then gets insane. V1 shoves for $210 total. V2 Shoves for $600 total. V3 calls!

What’s H’s action here? On the one hand, I have the nuts so feel like I have to call. On the other hand, my ranges are as follows:

V1 – 76, flush draws, sets and maybe two pairs, 87 or 65.
V2 – 76, nut flush draw, maybe top set
V3 – 76, maybe nut flush draw, maybe top set

How do those ranges look to people? This almost is playing out like an Omaha hand, where I’m hoping to dodge a lot of full house and flush outs and my upside is a chop. Think it’s a call even against these ranges but surprisingly close.
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07-28-2015 , 11:44 AM
Uhhhh, let me decide what to do with these here nuts...

Spoiler:
Fold

Actually...

Spoiler:
Yeah, fold, you're never going to win this hand


Spoiler:
Just call already, JFC


Sucks that you got freerolled by 67cc.
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07-28-2015 , 12:20 PM
snap call. there is1 combo of 76cc and 9 of 76. there are 9 sets and27 of two pair. lots of draws.
this isnt omaha. u need like 25% equity to breakeven agaist three people so even with 33% equity u should snap. u probbly have ~40% equity against them.
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07-28-2015 , 12:24 PM
I'm gonna be honest, I don't even care what the other hands are.

I've got the nuts, I'm calling.

You're probably up against set over set and a flush draw though. GOOD LUCK
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07-28-2015 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Triplerangemerge22
snap call. there is1 combo of 76cc and 9 of 76. there are 9 sets and27 of two pair. lots of draws.
Is this your range for V1 or for all Vs? Agreed w this range for V1, but seems too broad for V2 or V3. V2 is tight pre so shouldnt have any two pair in his range, and don't think he's shoving w a flush draw if it's not A-high after seeing a bet and a shove already. V3 is looser so could have a two pair type hand pre flop, but doubt he's calling of $600 with two pair here.

Last edited by MIB211; 07-28-2015 at 12:40 PM.
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07-28-2015 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Is this your range for V1 or for all Vs? Agreed w this range for V1, but seems to broad for V2 or V3. V2 is tight pre so shouldnt have any two pair in his range, and don't think he's shoving w a flush draw if it's not A-high after seeing a bet and a shove already. V3 is looser so could have a two pair type hand pre flop, but doubt he's calling of $600 with two pair here.
neither. fold pre. they all have weak ranges pre so unless u hit two pair+ AND have some idiot stack off witha weak hand that big pot is rarely coming.
results? im callig with 88 55 76 Axcc here and maybe a couple other hands like huge draws
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07-28-2015 , 12:51 PM
fold pre - you are 55BB deep and in the worst possible position.

You flopped the nuts (congratulations) - not much else you can do but call this off. Not sure why you are making a thread about what to do. You are a statistical favorite to win a huge pot.

As for ranges - every one limped in. it's a home game. It's 1/2. I'd expect to see a ton of random trash. Sets / 2 pair / flush draws / maybe someone else flopped the nuts too. But calling this pre flop is a major leak and an easy way to burn through a bankroll if you continue to make this mistake.
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07-28-2015 , 01:54 PM
If someone else has the nutz you're in worse shape than 32o is against AKo pre-flop. But unless you can see their cards they probably have other hands in their range.

Read the tenth post in this thread about an idiot who punted off his stack with the nutz.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-nlhe-1543863/
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07-28-2015 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
I know some may view this as a fold, but with stacks this deep I’m pretty happy to pay $8 for a chance to win a huge pot.
are you happy stacking off 275bb deep for a chop while a V freerolls you???

you have the nuts. there is 1 hand out of 1081 possible remaining hands that is better than yours. everything else is behind.

obv a rolls off OTT or OTR because there is no reason for this to even be a thread.
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07-28-2015 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
are you happy stacking off 275bb deep for a chop while a V freerolls you???

you have the nuts. there is 1 hand out of 1081 possible remaining hands that is better than yours. everything else is behind.

obv a rolls off OTT or OTR because there is no reason for this to even be a thread.
Hand is multiway. I'm less worried about being up against 76cc and more worried about being up against 76o and the nut flush draw and/or a set.

Obviously I did call here though thought it was an interesting spot given the crazy amount of action. Results will come a bit later.
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07-28-2015 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Hand is multiway. I'm less worried about being up against 76cc and more worried about being up against 76o and the nut flush draw and/or a set.
this makes absolutely zero sense.

76cc is the only hand that has you dominated. every other hand you mentioned is behind and drawing (probably incorrectly, though i havent looked at the odds)
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07-28-2015 , 06:28 PM
Yeah, sorry man. This isn't an interesting question.

Villains' ranges include nfd, sets, combo draw (xcxc with the non-club pair on the board, 9c7c, 9c6c, 3c2c), the straight, and two pair. You have the nuts, and have the opportunity to call off your stack. /thread.
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07-28-2015 , 07:03 PM
Ok obviously people didn't find this as interesting as I did. Results:

v1 had top set, V2 had NFD w AJcc, V3 had 76 with one club. No club and no board pairing so I split the pot w V2.

Running the equities later, this was actually a shockingly neutral call despite the fact that I had the nuts. I'm being asked to call 510. Main pot is about 900 and side pot is about 1000 if I call. Since the best I can do is chop, I only have 20% equity in the side pot, so that's 180. I have about 34% equity in the side pot so that's anothet 340, meaning my EV is only $10. Obviously I was up against the worst case scenario here since I need to fade every draw and my upside is only half the pit.
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07-28-2015 , 07:55 PM
What you are forgetting op is that villans are often times sharing outs, worst case thinking will get you no where. Turn your hand face up and say well this is weird I have the nuts yet everyone is betting. I guess I call lol.
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07-28-2015 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
What you are forgetting op is that villans are often times sharing outs, worst case thinking will get you no where. Turn your hand face up and say well this is weird I have the nuts yet everyone is betting. I guess I call lol.
LOL
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