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AQo 1/3 got checked raise on river, my play? AQo 1/3 got checked raise on river, my play?

08-08-2018 , 10:31 PM
Hi all, would like feedback on this hand:

Villain: ~60yo WM, pretty much unknown to me, seems to be solid but aggressive, showing down winners tho lot of winners not shown due to opponent folds.

Hero: 30yo WM, playing solid in my opinion, doesn't know me either...Have been playing about 2 hrs but no big confrontations with him

The hand: Villain has ~400
Hero has ~220

9 handed. Folds to Villain in 3rd/middle position who raises to 13 (standard raise in this game). Folds to Hero in HJ, I have AQo and call, heads up to flop:

Pot: ~30
Flop: AK4 rainbow
Villain checks, I bet 20, Villain thinks and calls

Pot:~ 70
Turn: 8, completes rainbow
Villain checks, I bet 20, Villain thinks and calls

Pot:~110
River: 5
Villain checks, I bet 20, Villain check raises to 95, Hero?

With a larger check raise IMO easy fold, ~smaller like 60ish I call? Comments? Can this ever be a bluff?/thanks
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08-08-2018 , 10:39 PM
Normally a river x/r is rarely a bluff, but your weird sizing on the turn and river throws me off of what I think villain is ranging you. I guess call? Weird, weird sizing on 4th and 5th street.

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08-08-2018 , 10:42 PM
Depending on my read on the opponent and his opening tendencies and the way he responds to 3bets I would consider 3betting this hand pre.

AP why are you betting the same size every street? Terrible bet sizing. I think I would call it off just because your small sizing makes your hand look a lot weaker than TPTK and may have induced him.
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08-08-2018 , 10:57 PM
^ This.

"Same bet" three streets in a row makes some of us drool at the weakness implied by this line.

The 20 on the river is about 18% of the pot.

The bettor's hand is usually capped at top pair.
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08-08-2018 , 10:58 PM
Both of your lines are completely weird so no idea what to make if this.

I'm not sure what he's floating flop with here given lack of draws, JJ, QQ, A King, possibly, but if he thinks your weak, he just calls you down here.

Given I really don't know what's going on, I lean towards the River raise is nearly always very strong truism. I think he has 2 pair or better here, and fold. Would not shock me if he rolled over a set of Aces or Kings.
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08-08-2018 , 11:09 PM
What the?
Why dont you just call?
Why do you care if he has you beat here?
Why did you bet 20 on 4th and 5th street?
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08-09-2018 , 02:09 AM
U got xraised by an old nit with set of kings. No draws so he decided to slow play it.
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08-09-2018 , 09:01 AM
For those of you advocating call. What hands does a tight 60 year old raise pre, not cbet but check call flop instead, and how many of them raise river as a bluff, rather than just call if week
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08-09-2018 , 09:01 AM
For those of you advocating call. What hands does a tight 60 year old raise pre, not cbet but check call flop instead, and how many of them raise river as a bluff, rather than just call if weak?
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08-09-2018 , 08:31 PM
Thanks for the comments: Actually, to avoid any bias I posted this in reverse. I was "Villain" and "Hero" was my opponent. I decided to c/r river as a bluff but really had trouble deciding on bet sizing cause his betting line was so different. Opponent did decide to fold on river w/AQo (he showed) but he took forever to decide on river that I thought my bet size was faulty. I still do.

Entire hand:

Actual Hero: QJs
Actual Villain:AQo

Preflop: Folded to me 3rd position, first in I'm always raise/fold, I raise to 13, HJ calls w/AQo, others fold.

Flop: Pot ~30 AK4 rainbow, I check he bets 20. IMO this bet means nothing with my flop check so I call to see turn

Turn: Pot ~70 8, completes rainbow. I check, he bets 20 again-very strange bet size IMO, I range him on a set/2 pair/weak pair/weak Ace: most likely weak ace. I call again thinking I can steal on river or bink a card.

River: Pot ~110 5, I check, Villain bets 20. This bet was like waaaht? It screamed weakness so I tried c/r but really couldn't nail down bet sizing in my mind. Bet worked but in hindsight think it was too small, seemed like Villain "barely" folded.
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08-09-2018 , 10:26 PM
If you had A5s on the river how much would you have raised?
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08-09-2018 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by noshots00
If you had A5s on the river how much would you have raised?
Interesting question....But if I had A5s on river whole hand would have played out different. For instance, would have cbet this hand on flop, etc..
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08-10-2018 , 12:38 AM
Is there any hand you would arrive with on this river that you would be raising for value? If so what hands and how much? Just curious and i think it's a good exercise.
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08-10-2018 , 12:41 AM
Well obviously QJo is one of them lol. How much would you raise if the T hit. Pretend he doesn't have AQ but a range of KT-KQ and all suited aces and ATo-AQ
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08-10-2018 , 01:54 AM
Interesting way of posting hand history I like it
I think V(60years old WM) would be calling flop cbet with AQs/o - AJs/o, ATs-A5s**, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs
All suits cos there's no flush draw, so, if TURN completes the straight, it's the nuts OTT. And as well, for the possible BD flush draw.

TURN : 8x

Pot : 70

Hero bets 20 again..

Hero's line is really weird, V only need to be good about 18% of the time. I'm expecting all aces, kings to call. GUTSHOT and CESD? Hmm.. usually I feel against a solid player, if H were to bet TURN big enough, they will fold their 4 outers OT since it only about 8%. Might include half of the entire range of CESD and GUTSHOTS OTT.

OTR as played, hero bets 20$ into 110$ and got raised, I would call if I'm H. We are getting 2:1 and V didn't raise our weird bet OTT for value so, I think we are good here.
V could possibly be raising with A5s for value which would make sense. Since we have no reads on V, it's difficult to say if V would bluff OTR, but even if V would, we are still calling either way so yeah, AQo is good a plenty of time OTR

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**(maybe to A5s, I'm kind of stretching it cos the 5x fell OTR and V check raised)

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Have you ever thought about just calling with QJs OTR (instead of raising to 95$) to see what V's holding? I feel its a cheap price for a piece of important information.
Besides, there's no telling V will fold to us since they already exhibited fishy tendencies

Last edited by smokey93; 08-10-2018 at 02:00 AM.
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08-10-2018 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by noshots00
Is there any hand you would arrive with on this river that you would be raising for value? If so what hands and how much? Just curious and i think it's a good exercise.
Probably not. Any value hands I would get some $ in on turn....
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08-10-2018 , 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by noshots00
Well obviously QJo is one of them lol. How much would you raise if the T hit. Pretend he doesn't have AQ but a range of KT-KQ and all suited aces and ATo-AQ
If T hit on river prob c/r same amount. Can't see him calling more. Now that hand is over and I know his play, it looks like if T hit on river and I bet $95 he would also fold, board would be even scarier and bet would have even more strength in his eyes so even if I hit hit my straight I would get ~no value
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08-10-2018 , 02:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smokey93
Have you ever thought about just calling with QJs OTR (instead of raising to 95$) to see what V's holding? I feel its a cheap price for a piece of important information.
Besides, there's no telling V will fold to us since they already exhibited fishy tendencies
Nah, I used to do this once in a while and it's just a waste of $. I was ~100% sure he had an Ace after his bad river bet. Just thought it was a crappy kicker
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08-10-2018 , 03:04 PM
I just saw thread title and your holding by the river.

Fold.
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