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Flop low flush in very multiway raised pot Flop low flush in very multiway raised pot

06-14-2013 , 01:55 PM
This hand happened last night and I think I played it well, but it's a situation I never find myself in. I'm almost never calling raises with really speculative hands in the blinds but this situation happened and I could not pass it up.

Table: 10 handed 1/2nl THR. A lot of short stacks (under $100) and loose-passive types. Hero has $500+ and covers easily. Next biggest stack is V1 at about $200. He has gone way up and down as he hates to fold and is overly aggressive on 1 pair and low 2 pair type hands. We have history at the table as I stacked him twice and he doubled up on me once. To the hand.


V2 (less than $100) opens for $6 UTG. This means any ace or any mid pocket pair. He raises more with premium hands. V1 in MP of course calls as does most of the table to Hero with 4d5d in SB. I call, BB calls.

To the flop: 7 or 8 players ($40-$45): Jd 8d 7d

I think about it a minute and push out 2 stacks of $100.
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06-14-2013 , 02:00 PM
Flop is wetter than my prom date, but I still think a PSB is fine here. You want a caller or two for fat value. Get the rest in on a non-diamond turn.
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06-14-2013 , 02:01 PM
$60 might have been better sizing - unless you expect calls for that shove, then it is fine.
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06-14-2013 , 02:08 PM
Getting a zillion-to-one preflop, and almost closing the action (we're not expecting BB to repop it, right?), I think I also call.

If I'm pretty sure someone will stab at this on the flop, I'd probably check/shove; this way, a bunch of dead money can go into the pot before I bring the hammer down. Otherwise, I'd just donk the pot.

I'm not really in love with shoving because this will typically blow out most hands that we want to call (or at least put in some money) and only get called by hands that are better than us / doing half decent against us.

ETA: We would like weaker hands like Jx / gutshots / weak flush draws / etc. to put in some money on this flop; we really eliminate these hands with a shove.

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06-14-2013 , 02:16 PM
What about all the short-ish stacks. To half the table donking out $50 puts them all in or close to it. I'm thinking if they will call $50, they will go all-in for $70 or so. That's why I made the bet with the next biggest stack in mind who I figured would call with just about any piece or draw. It also gives me a side pot consolation if I get several callers but lose to a shorty.
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06-14-2013 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
What about all the short-ish stacks. To half the table donking out $50 puts them all in or close to it. I'm thinking if they will call $50, they will go all-in for $70 or so. That's why I made the bet with the next biggest stack in mind who I figured would call with just about any piece or draw. It also gives me a side pot consolation if I get several callers but lose to a shorty.
Not everyone is going to have a set or the A of diamonds... bet big so they make an odds mistake, but not soo big- give them the chance to make a mistake at least.
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06-15-2013 , 12:14 PM
Results:

I bet $200 effectively putting the other 6-7 in the hand all in.

All the shorties folded and my main target V1 called with TPTK no diamond and my flush was good.
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06-15-2013 , 02:48 PM
Great success. I also like shoot dog.
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06-15-2013 , 04:24 PM
nice bluff OP.
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06-15-2013 , 06:07 PM
Grunch

Sorry, but I don't think you played it well. Why exactly are you trying to get everything that you beat to fold? This seems like a super straightforward bet $35-$40 OTF, move all-in on non diamond turns. If you want to get fancy, then c/r all-in. You are basically playing an implied odds hand OOP against a bunch of short stackers and then intentionally trying to get no value when you hit.
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06-16-2013 , 12:04 AM
I would just pot the flop. If a short stack goes all in and a big stack has Ad or a set they probably call since the action would be closed to another raise, then shove all non diamond turns depending on stack sizes. Open shoving flop just screams flopped straight or baby flush since those are the only two hands you would do that with, and you prob wouldn't even do it with a straight every time.
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