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What do you find more comfortable to play against?

having a competent aggressive opponent who forces you to make decisions for stacks otf?

Or having a competent not that aggressive opponent who is sticky and flats a whole lot in position and puts you in a ****load of ****ty spots otr when the pot is really big?

I´m not sure that applies to nlh as well as it does to plo, but looking at your general villain who frankly has no idea how to construct his own ranges and arrives at later streets usually WAY too wide, I think it´s very profitable to force them to make mistakes when the pot is the biggest.

I am much more comfy against the flop guy than the sticky guy (I would suspect almost all players are). And that is why I agree with you that flatting is better here. That being said, if we were much deeper, I like a raise if only to build the pot to a degree where I can be the sticky guy later in the hand when the pot is bigger.

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09-15-2018 , 02:04 AM

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jdr0317

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 8,231

I mean it's never terrible to gii with a royal draw and this play could sometimes work against a less observant villain. But this guy is gonna be smart enough to go "KQ/44? Whatever. I'm all in. Good luck to you".

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09-15-2018 , 06:46 AM

#28

Homey D. Clown

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,259

This may sound harsh, but you're acting way too indifferent about the math mistake imo, in the other thread as well. I agree with everybody else that it's a glaring leak and should really be addressed.

If you like to think in percentages rather than for instance "3:1", there's probably an easier way to do this, without having to include your own call in the calculations. —> Say the pot is 100 and he bets all-in for 50. Now you get 3:1, right? The pot is 150 and you have to pay 50. To convert this to percentages —> 100/(3+1)=25%. Anyway, I always do it like that, it just seems much easier than 50/200=0,25.

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09-15-2018 , 06:53 AM

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Homey D. Clown

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,259

I like the rest of the discussion by the way. My first, second and third instincts were: I'm stuck 1900, I started the hand with 85bb, I flopped a royal flush draw, so whatever, I'm going for it: raise to 140, shove turn. Now I'm not a 100% sure anymore that that is our preferred course of action. Some interesting points have been made, so thanks for that.

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09-15-2018 , 10:50 PM

#30

mdelore

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,315

We need to consider our overall strategy first and foremost instead of lazily saying we have a sf draw, let's just go with it, it can't be terrible. The difference between a good and excellent player is asking "whats the best play here for my entire strategy?" vs "it can't be bad to just shove here." Yes it can be bad if calling is clearly better for our overall game.

Yeah we all get stuck and spew sometimes but 2+2 is for finding the best play not handwaving without considering V's range.

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