2/3. Hero just table changed. Played about 3 orbits so far. V in question just sat down; this is his first or second hand. V bought in for $200, Hero has $365.

Hero raises to $15 UTG with AJ, V calls in mid-late position, loose-passive seeming V deep stacked calls from BB.

Flop ($40): 8 3 2

Hero bets $22, V raises to $55, other caller folds. Hero?

I would fold. If you shove, without a read the average passive player who over values TPNK will not fold to you.

Without reads, jamming here is burning money.

$22 is a weird bet size so it is possible you induced a raise. However against an unknown, I'd give him credit for a hand and fold.

You can find better spots you don't have to win every hand if you end up raising and he actually has a hand it will take a lot more hands to make up what you lost plus you could go on tilt . You only have one back door draw

Fold. You have little invested in this hand so it should be easy to let it go. Wait for a better spot. But keep in mind that when you are OOP against this V and hit the flop hard, you need to bet bc he will raise when he has a hand and you can 3! on the flop against him.
I'd put V on a hand like A8s or 98s, maybe set of 2 or 3. Hard to know with no reads but A8s seems to make the most sense. You're now reverse dominated, easy fold. You probably don't have much, if any, FE against typical 1/2 rec fish here.

Also, this is an awkward flop to c bet. Most V won't put you on an over pair and this board texture doesn't hit a lot of hands that open UTG. Probably better to check the flop, maybe see a cheap or free turn card because this flop missed you so completely.
Which kind of underscores why folding AJ, even AJs, UTG, is probably the better choice here. AJo, I fold UTG. AJs, probably limp, hoping to see a cheap flop with a NFD but get away as cheaply as possible when miss and am OOP.

No reads? Fold and move on. Keep villain in your sights, as he's either overplaying or is willing to bluff raise your c-bets on good barreling boards.

Just fold. What are you ranging him on? If he has pp greater than 8's then you are 30% dog and if he has AK then you are even more behind. If you had a bdfd then maybe call and reevaluate but as played, fold.

Flop is a total brick load, Fold possibly drawing dead to a Set.

V just sat down and raised an utg raisers flop bet on a bone dry board. There are few legit 2p combos so it seems it's sets or overpairs that just flatted pre.

Fold.

When committed to trying to get him off tp or small overpairs I'd tend to float here and bluff overcards ott. But again I think this is just a fold lacking any solid reads and without the kind if stack depth that allows us to put multi street pressure on him our FE is going to be less than we think a lot of the time.

Even though you have little info on him, a call from an UTG raise and a reraise on your c-bet could in my book be: 22, 33, 88, A8s, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, 45s

In either case you'd be in bad shape and be better off with a fold and trap him later on when you have more info.

Yeah. I folded after thinking about how sweet it'd be to cram and put him to the test with J8, 89, etc. I went into excel afterward and did the math, thinking it might be a little closer than I gave myself credit for in game. Nope. He would need to fold something like 68% of the time before the equity adjustment, and I'm like <20% against his calling range. Thanks for the input guys.

I might be thinking too much into this, but are we generally making mistakes when we give credit to villains for playing hands super strongly when they first sit down? How often are you initially waiting for more information/better spot on a player only to find out later that you played the initial hand really badly?

If, say, the villain in your hand rolled a hand like 88, I'd peg him as behing one to overplay hands and would adjust by value-betting and making larger bets. All depends on what their leaks are and you adjust to take advantage of how they leak.

I often open limp the suited broadway hands in EP cuz we're at such a disadvantage being OOP and we don't have any clue if our raise is going to narrow the field. We're also fine with going to a very multiway limped pot with this type of hand. If everyone is shortish, I'm cooler with opening and trying to setup an SPR where I can comfortably stack off postflop with TP (ETA: although I'm typically folding AJo- in EP).

3ways I might just check this flop and hopefully take a free card. No pair is ever folding this flop plus there are no high cards to rep. I don't hate the small 1/2 PSB bet to see if that gets it done, and I think it's an insta fold to the raise.

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The annoying part is when there are a couple more limpers and the pot gets big enough for the button to try a steal. How big a raise are you calling?

It all depends on raise size / stack sizes (are the stacks big enough to warrant a call for this raise size?), the chances the limpers will also call the raise (we'd like to see a multiway pot), and the ******edness factor of everyone involved (good chance at stacking one of these idiots postflop, or are they all decent/ok players?).

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Grunch:

Why are we thinking about doing anything other than just folding here?
V is described as passive.
Which means the absolute bottom his range here is some 42% draw (since he has two live cards also..) and the top of his range has us a drawing close to dead (two pair and sets).

So lets just fold.

The question for me was: how much of someone's raising range on this board texture will be folded to a 3bet shove?

I think the spot in general was pretty easy; I wasn't even close to shipping. But with so many "where am I" raises at this level, and the amount of respect I usually get (I've seen very very few showdowns lately) I was wondering if we're close to breakeven by shoving simply due to fold equity.

fold. Keep an eye on this guy though.