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Flop decision in 3-bet pot Flop decision in 3-bet pot

10-16-2015 , 01:52 PM
Hero (650) - Solid, winning image. Definately leaning more towards LAG playstyle and people know I can make moves.

Villian (800) - European young guy, plays pretty standard-tight doesn't bluff too much and assume he knows how to read board textures to make call/folds.

I open UTG with 88 to 7, MP and btn call, villian in SB makes it 30, I call others fold

Pot (77)
J107r

I check he bets 40 hero?

The way I see it;
- Our raise calling range here is geared towards this flop. Many 2P/sets/89 type of hands we can have
- We can assume since he 3 bet pretty big he's geared more towards overpairs here and so putting pressure on so deep on such a coordinated board we can get him to fold flop/turn
- We block nuts but it's unlikely he's ever got 98 here. Top of his range is probably capped at JJ/1010
- We can raise here and even if he peels we can improve with an 8/9 here the majority of the time as well as putting pressure on turn on a lot of turns.


I make it £120 he tank calls

Turn
2 completes rainbow


Hero?
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10-16-2015 , 02:09 PM
Trying to bluff people off overpairs is a fantastic way to go broke imo.
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10-16-2015 , 02:27 PM
You have laid the groundwork, I believe at this point you are behind, and can only rely on fold equity (or the miracle 9) to win this pot. That is a scary board for his QQ+, and you have taken over control of this hand.

I guess the only question is sizing.. What would you bet if you really had a set? 220? With 300 saved for the river bet? Obviously here, if we are called we are way behind (but at least have a few outs, most likely just the 9s), and he is pot committed..

I hope this one doesn't go to the river!! We need to win it right now.
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10-16-2015 , 02:33 PM
How do you c/r the flop when V is sb?
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10-16-2015 , 02:35 PM
DISCLAIMER: I wrote HH wrong on flop he didn't check since we have position here. He leads £40 we make it £120.

I think the turn bet is pivotal in whether this bluff is going to work effectively enough to be profitable. Once he calls flop he most likely has 1010/JJ/QQ/KK/AA. Two of the hands aren't going anywhere whilst the other three it's possible we can make him fold.

We need to find the sweet spot in the sizing here where we bet big enough that we continue repping what we are trying to here. But not big enough to where, if he calls we can't cram river profitably because we don't have enough behind to make him fold. We have £480 behind on turn. I believe betting anything bigger than £200 will make him pot committed if he calls turn however we also can't make it so small that he is willing to call and we have to bluff river by cramming.
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10-16-2015 , 02:57 PM
Don't try to get people to fold overpairs at LLSNL, it's just burning money. Especially if you have a LAG image. If you think that villain can squeeze AK/AQ pf then calling the flop to see a turn IP is fine but I'm never trying to fold out an overpair by raising flop.
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10-16-2015 , 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruffy166
- We can raise here and even if he peels we can improve with an 8/9 here the majority of the time as well as putting pressure on turn on a lot of turns.
You aren't going to improve with an 8 or 9 the majority of the time.
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10-16-2015 , 04:27 PM
If we had 89 we are not calling the 30 pre-flop 3-bet.

Disagree with OP that 89 is within our range.

***

My own lament:

Why doesn't anyone try to bluff ME off the best hand?

I am jealous - of our villain - here.
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10-16-2015 , 04:28 PM
You are a loose player known to make moves. How often will he fold to your aggression?? Will he put you on a very strong holding??

I can't see a player like you making the bluff work. He is likely to have a set, overpair or two overs and a gut shot. Against a player how you describe yourself there are many that will consider that there is enough reason to continue.

KQ suited in his range your 9 could also be dead.
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