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Floating C-Bets vs. Bad LAG Floating C-Bets vs. Bad LAG

04-22-2015 , 12:07 AM
10/25 ($4 BB)

Villain is a bad LAG. His VPIP is over 50% for sure, probably 75%+. He also 3-bets PF with some frequency.

Hand history:

Hand 1: I raise to 175 from UTG with TT. UTG+1, +2, +4, and 2 others call. WTF 5 CALLERS?! Flop is J-8-7r. I check, and it checks around to UTG+4, who bets 650 with 1200 behind. I fold because there are still 2 behind me. V, who was UTG+1, told me he called my PFR UTG+1 with a low SC (likely something like 43s since he folded). His reasoning: "The pot odds were right." Reminder: I was UTG and he was first to act with the entire table behind.

Hand 2: I play a small raised pot with K8s in MP, board is K-high, he bets the river HU and I call and announce a pair of kings. Him: what's your other one? He had something like K2o.

Read: he's playing something close to ATC all the time, at least in a raised pot.

Hand in question:

H raises to 150 in MP with AQ
V re-raises to 575 in UTG+1
Folds to H, H calls

Flop (1150): 2 5 9, no
H checks
V bets 750
H?

Am I ever folding PF here? I know his PF call range is super wide. His PFR range is also quite wide. He hasn't shown enough 3-bet hands for me to get a good idea of his range.

Is this a good spot to 4-bet PF? We are both close to 200 bb deep.

What about leading the flop, raising the flop, or floating and firing on essentially any turn?

Last option: check/fold the flop. This seems to be a bad PF call for me if my plan is to check/fold the flop if I flop 2 overcards though.
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04-22-2015 , 08:09 AM
PF: I would 4b/fold. Reasoning is simple: we are OOP against an aggressive sticky villain with a non-paired hand. Our AQs is going to miss the flop and we're going to be left with Ace high, OOP, 66% of the time and find ourselves in a spot like this.

As played i'd x/f this flop, i don't see value in floating against this villain that is so easily exploitable otherwise. He showed a lot of strength PF(and i wouldn't judge his 3betting range to be that wide, most fishy live players have a 3betting range that is skewed hard towards premium hands) and now is cbetting pretty large, we could easily be crushed here.
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04-22-2015 , 10:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by madim
PF: I would 4b/fold. Reasoning is simple: we are OOP against an aggressive sticky villain with a non-paired hand. Our AQs is going to miss the flop and we're going to be left with Ace high, OOP, 66% of the time and find ourselves in a spot like this.

As played i'd x/f this flop, i don't see value in floating against this villain that is so easily exploitable otherwise. He showed a lot of strength PF(and i wouldn't judge his 3betting range to be that wide, most fishy live players have a 3betting range that is skewed hard towards premium hands) and now is cbetting pretty large, we could easily be crushed here.
4b/fold sounds pretty reasonable. He's 3b PF enough times for it to be unlikely that he only does it with premium hands.

What's the plan if I 4b, it gets flatted, and then I miss the flop? Seems like I'm in the same situation as the 3b pot except now I've got more chips in.

Let's say I started the hand with 6,000

H raises to 150 (5850 left) with AQ in MP
V re-raises to 650 in MP+1
Folds to H
H 4-bets to 1400 (4600 left)
V calls

Flop (2800): 259
H?
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