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09-25-2013 , 10:32 PM
Hero- mid twenties and playing aggressive and winning. Got sucked out on all in pre when my AA got cracked by JJ on runner runner flush. That was 10 min before this hand and Villian saw. I didn't get emotional so Villian shouldn't think im tilting.

Villian-20's kid. Seems nerdy and wannabe lag. Kinda seems to be using blind aggression. Saw him play before and he's not very good.

Hand- utg2 limps, MP limps, Villian makes it 12 in cut off, (202$), hero calls on button with 8d5d. Everyone and limpers fold. :/...

Flop- Kc10d7h 25$

Villian bet 15, I call intending to steal,on turn.

Turn- 4d(55$)
Villian checks and hero bets 35. Villian check raises to 105 total leaving 70 behind. Wtf? Hero covers the Villian. What's my action?

Last edited by ForesstGump; 09-25-2013 at 10:38 PM.
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09-25-2013 , 10:44 PM
Fold you do t have odds to call not to mention you could very well be drawing dead already. The check raise is always a monster... But even if it is a bluff u can't beat it.
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09-25-2013 , 10:47 PM
Can't call pre. Implied odds aren't there with him at 100bbs.
Fold turn.
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09-25-2013 , 10:50 PM
Cold calling 85dd on the button is not aggressive winning poker stop lying to yourself
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09-25-2013 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak
Cold calling 85dd on the button is not aggressive winning poker stop lying to yourself
Lol...I will admit that wasn't my best moment pre-flop. Should 3 or folded. Thought it would go multi and I liked the hand 4-5 ways on the button
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09-25-2013 , 11:02 PM
Well once you get raised you owe 70:160 or just over 2:1 against to call. With 12 outs here you're roughly 3:1 against or so with one to come. Even if you could get his whole stack every time it's pretty close so fold.
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09-25-2013 , 11:19 PM
I count the pot at 55+35+105 = 195 plus you almost always get his remaining 70 if you hit the river. So 265:70? This is good, provided you don't make a hero call if you hit a 5 or 8.
I don't like preflop or the flop (and we need more info on him giving up on hands to support the plan to steal on the turn).
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09-25-2013 , 11:27 PM
Villains range is made up of a lot of bigger flush draws when he takes this line.
We draw close to dead a decent percentage of the time which needs to be factored in.
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09-25-2013 , 11:29 PM
Edit: thought you called 20 pre. Calling 12 otb here isn't as bad as others are making it out to be. Would still like I have deeper effective stacks to make it worth a call, but it's not terrible by any means.
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09-25-2013 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by WeJamin
Edit: thought you called 20 pre. Calling 12 otb here isn't as bad as others are making it out to be. Would still like I have deeper effective stacks to make it worth a call, but it's not terrible by any means.
its pretty bad to get only 17:1 implied odds pre with 85s
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09-26-2013 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
its pretty bad to get only 17:1 implied odds pre with 85s
Yeah, we're gonna pick up some pots thanks to being on the bu too I hope.
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09-26-2013 , 12:27 AM
Fold pre. 85s pretty bad. You could consider a 3-bet pre sometimes against this villain. Sounds like a pretty good spot given your read to re-pop to 36.

Probably fold flop. Not a great flop texture to peel. And if villain is so aggressive, does he fire turn too often anyway?

When he checks turn and you make your draw, betting is good. Now fold to his check/raise.
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09-26-2013 , 12:27 AM
All and any advice on why I should or should not take a certain action would be appreciated. I started playing about 1 or 2.times a week a year and a half ago and I want to get better. I have a good job but am competitive and like to win.
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09-26-2013 , 12:29 AM
Plus I saw him peel and give up a few times which is why I floated. I should have posted that first. That's why the check raise confused me.
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09-26-2013 , 12:31 AM
if you saw him peel and give up a few times, then the c/r shouldn't be confusing. it means that he has a big hand.
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09-26-2013 , 12:33 AM
I guess "surprised me" would be a better way to put it. Lol.
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09-26-2013 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Fold pre. 85s pretty bad. You could consider a 3-bet pre sometimes against this villain. Sounds like a pretty good spot given your read to re-pop to 36.

Probably fold flop. Not a great flop texture to peel. And if villain is so aggressive, does he fire turn too often anyway?

When he checks turn and you make your draw, betting is good. Now fold to his check/raise.
That is a good point.
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09-26-2013 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Man of Means
I count the pot at 55+35+105 = 195 plus you almost always get his remaining 70 if you hit the river. So 265:70? This is good, provided you don't make a hero call if you hit a 5 or 8.
Yeah turn is a marginal call, but a call. I would discount our outs down to 10 (sometimes our flush won't be good when a 7d or a Kd hits or sometimes we're up against top pair + FD). Even with 10 outs, we still (barely) have the implied odds to call, so call.


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Originally Posted by Man of Means
I don't like preflop or the flop (and we need more info on him giving up on hands to support the plan to steal on the turn).
Well I'd say IF we call preflop with this hand, and we call THAT flop, we GOTTA bet that turn even with no info.

It's kinda like IF you order a hooker to your room, and she kinda looks like a guy BUT you let "her" inside anyways, well then you GOTTA finish the deal, even with no other info.
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09-26-2013 , 06:32 AM
Lol....oh I paid for that hooker alright. After some quick math of course. And that hooker ended up being a black deuce! Fml...biggest blank in the deck.
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