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Please don't misconstrue my thoughts of my read on this player with players plural. I am not saying I can read all players in such a fashion. I have a ton of history with this player, so my read is based on much experience with him. I could easily be wrong, but based on my experience with him I don't believe he would open jam 150+ bigs on a whiffed flop with AK. If he had it in him to do so, it would likely prove a difficult decision for me.

As I type this though, I am reminded of a tournament situation with him and I where he did open jam his tourney life against me with Ace high, after I flatted him in position with a middling pair. I don;t remember the nuimber of BB he had, it certainly wasn't 150BB, but it wasn't 10 or 20 either.

You're shifting subject of discussions from a general perspective of these situations to specific reads of a particular player.

Surely if you have strong reads of any players, you can make better adjustments than someone who does not.

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07-18-2014 , 01:42 PM

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Richard Parker

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Originally Posted by PokerDharma

That was my original question. If it was more +EV to flat and stack off after a favorable flop or GII PF and race. And FWIW I do get a good deal of action in this game, but it's a pretty loose game already most of the time.

You can attempt to create two decision points for villains while leaving yourself only one.

It is arguably more profitable because villain could be making a massive mistake by folding the flop.

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07-18-2014 , 01:49 PM

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PokerDharma

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

You're shifting subject of discussions from a general perspective of these situations to specific reads of a particular player.

Namely because the recent exchange was regarding that specific example with said player, and I don't want you guys thinking that I'm here touting some super soul reading ability of all players. I am not.

I am simply posing a hypothetical that IF you're very confident you're getting it in ahead versus a villain out of line with Ace high, is it more EV to GII PF and try to extract max value or flat, giving them a chance to make a mistake on whiffed flops or obviously fold flops that hit villain and prevent risking a large amount in a race off?

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07-19-2014 , 01:57 AM

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slimshady1999

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Originally Posted by eyurus

While I think it's a mistake to think you can range opponents hands so precisely, I think the hypothetical example is saying if we do know V has (AK/AQ), it's more profitable to flat w TT pre flop instead of GII because we can shove over any c-bet on any flop without an A, K, or Q, and risk losing less the times we are out flopped. You win less when you hold up, but you also lose less when you don't and you limit their drawing hand (AK/AQ) to 3 cards (flop) instead of 5.

I do think that's a more perfect way to play the hypothetical hand but the problem is its based on the premise that your reads are just so accurate that you know nearly exactly what your opponent is holding.

OTOH, I do think the flipping that you do is good for your image and will get you labeled as an action-player and get you paid off more than most on your nutted hands.

Ace high flops are easy folds with TT in 3bet pots but what do you do on Kxx or Qxx? If he really is shoving every flop, then you're going to fold the best hand a lot on Kxx when he has AQ and on Qxx when he has AK. That is a disaster

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