Game is 1/3 with a few stuck players making pretty big opens. 6max ($24 - $30)

Hero has $800
Villains have $600 - $1500

Hero gets QQ on BTN

V1 UTG+1 makes it $24 - This guy is stuck and an aggressive donk. Will sometimes folds if he has nothing but i've seen him call and try and out play others with just random hands.


3bet or call and why?

3bet because we crush/print money against his range, we have position and a bigger pot gives him more opportunities as a stuck aggregated player to make bigger mistakes against the top of our range.

Certain 3bet and quite large probably around 70-90, not only does our range crush his opening if he's described as an aggressive donk then he's not going always folding to a button 3bet, especially if deep. If he's stuck then he'll likely peel wider than usual too, and him trying some spewy move with trash is a good spot for you when in position.

Huge +1

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Fantastic. 3! and let him give you his money

Easy 3bet for reasons stated.

3bet to force this type of mistake, trying this oop vs. 3rd best opener - "i've seen him call and try and out play others with just random hands."

If we're $800 deep, I probably lean towards a call here.

It's very likely we'll simply end up HU if we call as we only have the blinds to go thru (if it happens to go 3way, meh, not the end of the world). This will result in a SPR ~15 which is a pretty nice high SPR where TP hands like QQ play fairly well (since we won't every have to worry about commitment). We can then play postflop in position on this aggro guy and decide exactly how much money goes in postflop.

Have we been 3betting a lot? If not, we might turn our hand a little face up, all the while creating a small SPR (where we'll probably have to stack off), unless we raise really big to prevent ~setmining hands from getting good odds (but then we might lose this guy). For instance, if we raise to the standard 3x of $75, this creates an SPR under 5 where stacks can trivially go in postflop (and yet we offered Villain fairly decent implied odds of 16:1 to stack us).

Also, are we thrilled if he reraises us and attempts to play 266bb stacks preflop? I'm guessing probably not?

ETA: Looks like I'm in the minority here. If this guy can blow thru $800 in one hand like nothing, then I have no problem with 3betting to stack off. I don't play with a lotta people that blow thru $800 in one hand like nothing (in fact, I'm pretty sure I can count the number of times I've seen someone lose $800 in a single pot on one hand), so that's why I'd lean towards another route.

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I repop this all day for a couple reasons:
1) We have very few reads, but from what you wrote QQ is destroying his range here so a 3! is straight up value.
2) I want to Iso him and play heads up in position without giving the blinds any incentive at all to call with something speculative.

I pop it to $100 and i'm firing every flop.

very easy 3bet. really no need to overcomplicate things here, in fact, I think sungar said it all in his very short first answer.

yes i forgot to mention I have been 3betting a lot. every time I get called LOL but both times he had an ace - at least he showed an ace.

an even better reason to 3bet since he will think ur FOS

That changes things a bit, as it sounds like we might have a FOS image plus it looks like he's not folding to them.

What's our plan if he 4bets?

What's our plan postflop in what will most likely be a ~5 SPR pot?

How often does this guy get in $800 in a single pot ain't-no-big-deal?

Personally, I'd simply rather play a smaller pot in position where I have more options open to me postflop. It's not as if we have to reraise preflop because that's the last chance we have of getting money out of the guy in this hand.

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Due to the description of the dynamics here against a spewy,very aggro, and tilted villain who is stuck in the game is close to an absolute dream scenario. Hero has been 3 betting quite alot wich only makes the spot even sweeter because we are even less likely to get respect/fold. Getting spots like this and take maximum advantage of it is what can help boost our winrate to heaven imo.

Thinking of picking up a premium hand like QQ under such conditions gives med the wood. Not 3 betting preflop here i would rate as close to criminal.

OP - given your image, what do you think v's 4! range is?

Im with GG. Flatting more often given these dynamics/IO this deep.

Most want to 3! here, and logically so, particularly when heros high 3b frequency demands inclusion of nutted combos to make it work. Getting immediate value from Vs large open-c range also has its verified merits. However, this deep, IP it is not as clear that the aggregate EV of 3b lines > than EV of those calling. Much of what QQ loses PF should often be quickly compensated post by Vs Heavy cbet% OOP with initiative, some wicked IO, deception, and all the other IP benefits that GG posted earlier.

... And yeah, when he spazz 4!, while QQ remains ahead of even his gii range, (and always continuing given the meta) there is no remedy for the fact that equities are now going to run close. His gii range, though sloppy, will almost realize it's full equity once that 4bet goes in, and stacking off QQ for 300bb just gets a whole lot thinner.

you mentioned "villains are between $600-$1500". Did anyone else call his $24 open? What is the stack of the guy that opened to $24? Is $24 a standard opening size for this guy, or was it larger than usual?

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And we have been 3betting him so less likely he is going to believe you.

$24 is standard - no one else called - just the blinds left to act after me.

Given the dynamic, I would 3-bet to $100 and never fold. If he calls, size flop to ship turn

This guy has a range we crush, will continue with a range we crush, is likely to not believe us when we 3-bet and we also have nut position on him. I'm a conservative player but I'd take myself out back and kick myself in the crotch for not 3-betting here.

I'm not sure I agree with this line. He stated that the villian was very aggressive and "stuck". He didn't say that the villian was stupid.

I'm not going to be thrilled shoveling in $800 in a 1/3 game with QQ. If we shove and get called on the turn, we are in going to be behind/lose a big percentage of the time. This will just make it easy for him when he has us beat.

I would probably flat call preflop since the villian is so aggressive. I know it puts us in a tough spot sometimes but the most value might be made by just flat calling preflop and letting him barrel post flop.

Never flat ffs. Why make poker hard when poker can be easy?

Also forgot to mention - the times I did 3bet I had hands AJcc and AQo

Both times I only 3bet to $50 to isolate and it worked

One time I lost with AJ on a 3Q4r board - I cbet $60 he called - turn 3r - check / check - River 2 I check - he bets $160 - I fold - he shows A and mucks other card.

Other time I had AsQd - Flop was 745sss - I cbet $50 - he folds

To address a couple of things noted ITT so far, I'd say I both agree and disagree with thinking about $800 being "deep." Yes, we're playing $1/3, and in a lot of marginal spots preflop we need to be remembering this. If the table dynamic dictates that some/most are opening very large for some reason, things are ultimately going to be much shallower postflop. I'd pretend that this is temporarily a 3/5 game that allows you to be ultra tight from EP and the blinds (but also gives you a discount). So you could look at this as ~150 BBs for the sake of the hand.

With that out of the way, let's talk about your 3betting history with this guy. You've been isolating with really small 3bets, so a much larger one to say $80 or $90 is going to look different to this guy. Who knows how he'll interpret it. Sounds like he's continued in each without thinking twice about folding and is willing to play poker post flop with you (referencing his river bet with the showed A). This dynamic is perfect for our spot here and I'm happily 3betting TT+ for fat value.

One more thing- I tend to size my 3bets pretty consistently but also factoring in position, callers, reason for 3betting and player types, so it's not static. I do this because I don't feel like I'm good enough at predicting how people will react to and interpret the different sizing.

I would make it slightly larger than your previous 3bets; let's make it $70.