FIRST POST: please excuse any errors, mistakes, i apologiZE in advance. ONly here to learn my mistakes and get tips on getting me to the next level cause i am at my limit. Two consecutive hands (really 3 but that would be way too much) and hero is truly donkish...

New to the table (1-2 NL $300max), maybe bout' 3 orbits in: first hand...
Hero: $155 (loose/agressive)BB

V1: $180~ (hates hero and is out for blood)UTG

V2: $205+some change (no idea but prblly the same)SM
preflop:

V2 limps button, folds
hero follows,
V1 in a faint but malicious tone whispers "you people think they know how to make the perfect-reads 24/7...
hero(sb): lol then limps
bb: raised $15 on top with w/e (super wide range at this point so at best he's 50=50
V2 flats, and hero makes it $25.00 on top, BB-snaps the raise and V2-folds/shows trash, dont think its relevant, my problem is:
Hero checked flop??!! Then checks turn?? BB-bets 35, hero-shoves hoping he hit something!: Qh-7c-4h-9h

(why the hell does he do this?) everyone got some rope at least maybe, idk,
but i felt if He v-bets the flop, V1 comes over with (6-5),the flush draw, and most def with any two pair. At the very least a call, check/raise on turn or check/call. Does firing out again in out of position with god knows whats to come on the turn or even river help me at this point? hero shoved, and won a small pot.

Sorry that this post was extremely long and probably very jejune, But it bothered me because the very nextt hand hero blows it with 8c-8h v. 10-9(V2) on Jc-8c-7d
button limps, HERO LIMPS AGAIN???, and BB checked.
hero bet 15, BB-fold, and V2 makes it 50 on top. hero shoved, V1 made the call, iinstaanttly. obv..


this is my rant so feel free to rant and bone me; some "constructive criticisms" MAY be helpful lol but yeah in all seriousness defintiely would like help on these two consecutive hands that prolly did get donked-up, aand will happen in the future iff II dontt seriouslyy reexamiinee my ggamee.


All comments welcome, and yea i play like a donk att these types of tables. SO first time poster, trying to get the basics. Sadly no microstakes available where i live so ½ is where I have to start and grrindded for tthe past 5 years.

Let's move this to Live Low-stakes NL .

Wow, this is like trying to read a Joyce novel. I have no idea what is going on in the first hand. I can't even find your hole cards.

As for the second one, I don't see anything wrong with getting <100bb in with middle set on a draw-heavy board against someone who is 'out for blood'. I'd say it's a cooler, but also raise pre. 88 is near the bottom of the pps I raise with in the blinds, but it's good enough and benefits from fewer people seeing the flop.

So it's your fault.

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Hand 1 is a fold pf. You don't have enough money to set mine.

In hand 2, you need to think about what your opponent has that can call a shove on the turn. The answer is he's only calling with hands that beat you. Call the raise.

What is happening.

Second hand you should raise pre-flop, but I'm fine shoving if you think villain will call you with J's/fd's.

All combo draws might call, as well as the nfd and most two pairs (though we block a lot of them). Together those make up more combinations than T9, and JJ or 99 would raise pre. Being OOP on this board texture in an aggressive game, I don't see why getting it in is ever that bad, especially when so many turn cards could kill our action or give villain the lead (not to mention that we give him a free one on the river if he elects to take it).

I haven't read any of your posts I've disagreed with before, so maybe I'm not coming at this from the right angle. I think it also depends on the villain though, and we aren't really given much of a description to work with.

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sorry, writing is atrocious at this hour after being up 24+ without sleep looking at cards i hate now

and thanks for everyone who posted, and the response time. Honestly don't care about how many people like in certain other forums. I do some fishing; occasional hunting but big collector of knives/guns/flashlights/etc...some of those forums are like out to just create havoc on new comers who ask a question thats been asked a lot before.

FOR crod242:

Im glad to hear it cause the first hand was just bs...if i win a pot its over but i felt like that hand led to the very next one being the same situation. I made a bad check in a spot against players that I knew i should of bet and run twice but didn't. turn and river were crap! I always forget to ask chop.

No malicious intent from me, I was only kidding. Looks like you've already gotten some good advice from others with regard to the hands so I'll just give advice on getting advice:
1. Try to limit your posts to only one hand per thread, it stays on topic better that way and people are more liking to give a good, well thought out response if they can do so quickly.
2. Try to keep the posts as simple as possible while still providing all relevant details like stack sizes, reads, etc... Basically just mimick the format of the threads you find easiest to read. Kydd dynamite or dgi Harris are good posters to mimick
3. Be receptive to feedback. You will probably never get good advice if the first time you get some, you dismiss it.
4. Comment, or ask questions in other people's threads. People are more likely to help out those who have helped others
5. Eventually, you'll meet people who you respect, maybe even a few who play in the same games as you. Often, it is easier just to ask them their opinion directly.

Good luck!

a lot of posts,(awesome and thanks), said you have to raise with 8-8 pre flop in the SB when button checks three-way? is this unanimous?
BUT at the end of the hand V2 quotes says "oh baby, I'm definitely getting it in with Q-J
V2 is actually tighter than most at the table, but has these moments for a spell when he just like spazs out and kinda twitches and does weird plays. IS V2 raising Q-J every time pre flop or even Q-8? Does he fold 10-9 to my 12 or 15 to go?

I also feel like if it has to come to a showdown after i raised pre-flop w/ (8-8), lets say V2 called. Same situation correct? I bet, he raises pot, am i still stuck with call/fold?
EDIT:

but pre flop, V1 is 100% calling my raise of 10-15. literally every raise i made he smooth called and v2 is 75-80% in with (10-9x) i just can't see even a tightener player like V2 folding that hand with me and V1 going at it. I think he might have put me on a hand since I started slowing down JUSSTT a bit..but not V1

and we might not have him covered in stacks, but he's still got essentially enough equity I think to at least see a flop..
I just feel like it was a lose all situation.
fold all around:
b:checks
SB:bets 12
BB:calls 12 (maybe raise which is my ONLY saving grace)
and button thinks with 10-9x and calls. I think suited the percentage goes up to like 95% calling for V2

Whether or not he folds T9 is irrelevant. If you raise pre with 88 and he calls with it (and other hands that are worse than yours), that in itself is a good result. You're fixating on the outcome of this particular hand rather than what happens every time you are in this spot. If villains flop the nuts and beat you a small percentage of the time, you are still generally making money on all the other times they call with a weaker range of hands and do not improve or make a second best hand.

I think 88 is a pretty mandatory raise in an unopened pot from any position. And regarding V2's raise/calling range, if it includes QJ then you are definitely not making a mistake to shove the flop imo.

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What did you have in the first hand btw?

had 4-4 V1 folded on the turn after another heart came out

but if you're referring to the first hand that i didnt discuss at all i had 2-2

and it was terribly messy so it would be even worse if i had to write it all down; it would end up looking like chicken scratch

again thanks all for insight and yes, I will listen to what many have said and also appreciate the manor in which it was presented!