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02-11-2017 , 05:25 PM

trickytricky

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2/5 NL

Hero is sitting with $1300. Villain has $500. Hero has no history with the villain since he just sat down.

Hero: +3. AQhh. Raise to $20.

Villain: SB. Raise to $130.

Hero: Calls.

FLOP

Q76cc

Villain quickly bets $300. Hero?

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02-11-2017 , 05:29 PM

Dochrohan

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Yes, it's a butcher. You can't call that 3-bet size. 4-bet shove or fold. I'd fold. aINEC

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02-11-2017 , 05:34 PM

matzah_ball

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Fold pre

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02-11-2017 , 06:14 PM

Buster65

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Fold pre.

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02-11-2017 , 08:10 PM

MikeStarr

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Not to be repetitive, but fold pre

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02-11-2017 , 09:02 PM

johnny_on_the_spot

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Sorry to pile on, fold pre

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02-11-2017 , 10:23 PM

iversonian

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if you're playing against an AI bot, i think it's call pre and shove flop. against 2/5 humans, fold pre, fold flop.

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02-12-2017 , 01:34 PM

Dream Crusher

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Originally Posted by Dochrohan

Yes, it's a butcher. You can't call that 3-bet size. 4-bet shove or fold. I'd fold. aINEC

Disagree. Calling can be the better play than shoving. That being said, I think that discussion probably does this hand a disservice. This is a super standard fold. Nothing else should be considered here. Fold pre. Proceeding with this hand is a MAJOR mistake.

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02-12-2017 , 01:39 PM

Keys Myaths

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Food pee.

But seriously, you're calling what's basically a 2x pot raise from the SB, where in live poker against an unknown, a SB 3-bet is usually the nuts (AK+).

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02-12-2017 , 05:56 PM

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Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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Fold pre, but idk about flop. The sizing is crazy huge for someone who actually likes their hand (pre, but even more so post). I would would probably call it off otf and later streets or just shove since it's basically the exact same thing

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02-12-2017 , 06:38 PM

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WereBeer

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I'm never in this spot but I call flop now because if villain has any bluffs at all we are priced in.

Good rule of thumb for calling pre is, if you hit the flop you want but still don't want to call a bet, you probably shouldn't call pre.

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02-12-2017 , 08:51 PM

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matzah_ball

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I agree that we should call it off now

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02-12-2017 , 09:35 PM

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kimoser22

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Originally Posted by trickytricky

2/5 NL

FLOP

Q76cc

Villain quickly bets $300. Hero?

Announces all-in, for 100BBs in a 3-bet (ridic large sizing) pot you shouldn't fold top-top unless V is uber nit (the kind that only exist live and only 3-bet AA,KK never AK and to him you should have folded pre-)

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02-12-2017 , 09:51 PM

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mikko

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Fold pre, slam dunk call on flop.

Give us age and physical description at least to work with.

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02-13-2017 , 06:30 PM

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BigPavelski

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Fold preflop but as played definitely a snap call

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02-13-2017 , 06:42 PM

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Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by BigPavelski

Fold preflop but as played definitely a snap call

it's not definitely a snap call. This sizing is aces or kings protecting against a fd.

Most regular goof balls don't 3bet with less than AA, KK and some won't even 3bet AK.

Add that together with the overbet otf, maybe he has QQ, but he at least has an OP and wants to take it down right now.

Without any history or reads regarding someone 3betting light, fold pre.

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02-13-2017 , 06:45 PM

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BigPavelski

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

it's not definitely a snap call. This sizing is aces or kings protecting against a fd.

I said As Played ........ stack sizes makes an easy preflop fold imo .... but if you peel the 3 bet and fold a Q high flop that is just brutal . VillIan still has AK , JJ , TT in range at least some of the time

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