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08-13-2016 , 03:32 PM
Played a pretty big pot last night at the local casino's 1/2 . The first time I have ever got to 4bet live before! How exciting.

I had been sitting at this table for a couple hours now and have successfully established myself as the table captain and “bully” so to speak. I was in for $225 and had built it up to about $315. This was definitely the most passive and limp-happy 1/2 table I had played at in my limited experience at the casino, and I was loving it. Table was full of weak regs and MAWGs that were limp-calling almost all of their range, and when they had the goods they would open to $7 or $5 and then overbet the pot like 3-4x otf and make it extremely obvious. Despite this dynamic there were a couple of loose-aggressive “fun” players at the table that were more than happy to give these guys action with nothing but backdoors because they could "feel it coming"

In the few hours before this hand I hadn’t shown down any cards at this point besides the 9Tss that I squeezed to $15 with after it was limped to me six ways in the BB. UTG who had limped made the call and it came TJAddd, MAWG checked to me heads up and I checked it back, 4 of something on the turn and I took a stab at it and got called. River was the 2d and I gave up and checked it down with little showdown value, and was beaten by QJcc. I could hear the guy on the other end of the table, “he raised with ten-nine??”. They were all aware of my aggressive tendencies but that was the only one they got to see besides when I squeezed with TT to $13 over a few limps and snap called the fun player after he called and then jammed $50 on a 842cc flop and I was good somehow after it came Ks, 3c.

So OTTH:

Hero ($310ish) is UTG with AdAc
I open the pot to $10 as is standard for me and most others at the table. Folds around to the villain in MP (400ish) who takes his time cutting out a 3bet to $30. Another villain in this hand on his direct left makes the call and it folds back around to me. The cold-caller is a decent regular that I had just met. We were actually sitting next to each other before he tried to bluff the main V in this hand by repping a straight on a scary board in attempt to get V off of his weak ace and ended up just punting 100bb because this villain simply could not fold even though he thought long and hard about it lol. Visibly pissed off he rebought and promptly sat down to his left so that he could have position on him. So that’s how he ended up with such a stack.

The villain is a younger guy, looked to be maybe 18 but he’s in the casino so obviously not. When I first sat down he only had like $80 in front of him and after seeing a couple limp-folds and donk bets I had a pretty good read on him. He has a few poker buddies that were playing at different tables and would come up every once in a while to relay their dumb bad beat stories before running back to their table. On more than one occasion I heard him throw out some poker buzzwords talking about “getting value” and “pot odds”. I also bluffed him way before this hand occurred as well. He donked into me after I was the opener on a Q52h flop, I called holding 56hh and when the Ace hit the turn and he made the same $15 donk bet I popped it to $50 and he begrudgingly folded. Could tell this guy definitely wanted to win a pot vs me but hasn’t had a chance in a while.

So I 4Bet to $100 total, and villain is not happy about it. He finds out how much it is from the dealer and awkwardly cuts and slides out a call. Guy on his left folds.

Flop ($223) Js9s3d
Maybe 3 seconds after the flop comes down Villain jams all in. It was basically instant and very deliberate. Villain covers me for my remaining $210ish. Could my 100bb be saved in this spot or is it an automatic stack off? With the way it went down I definitely suspected JJ to be a large part of his calling a 4B range and how he just instashoved could it ever be okay to make an exploitable fold?

Last edited by Bearcats69; 08-13-2016 at 03:54 PM.
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08-13-2016 , 03:53 PM
You played this well. The 4bet sets you up perfectly on the flop, with a pot of $223 and a stack of $210. With a PSR of about 1, we don't even have to consider folding on any flop. It's a snap call.

If he hit a set, nothing you could do about it. Hope they held up for you.
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08-13-2016 , 04:06 PM
Once you put 1/3 of your stack in with AA your never folding without a very specific read on villain or a truly terrible flop. With your limited read there is no way.

You would need history with villain that excludes him showing up with a big spade draw or auto-shoving KK/QQ on any non-ace flop in this situation.
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08-13-2016 , 04:13 PM
huh? this is trivial. instacall.
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08-13-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Keaton
You played this well. The 4bet sets you up perfectly on the flop, with a pot of $223 and a stack of $210. With a PSR of about 1, we don't even have to consider folding on any flop. It's a snap call.

If he hit a set, nothing you could do about it. Hope they held up for you.
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
huh? this is trivial. instacall.

Yeah, I agree... Almost didn't post it. Just wanted to make sure I didn't screw up in some way that I didn't notice. I knew I made all the right moves just needed someone to tell me I guess, I don't have any poker friends to discuss these kinds of things with besides on here.

For what it's worth I snap called him as soon as he said the words, just like I planned to do. He throws down a set with 99 and it holds up. First time I ever got fully felted in a live game. Had to be with Aces right? I ended up showing the cracked aces and he got pretty embarrassed. He did say that he put me on AQ............. haha the worst part was that he racked up and GTFO 3 hands later.
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08-13-2016 , 04:30 PM
You should be fist pump calling here, not considering making an "exploitable fold."

Even if we give him an ultra snug range of AA/KK/JJ you are still a solid favorite in the hand. QQ and AKs are also super reasonable for him to have. With your image/history with the villain I wouldn't even be surprised to see AJ, AQss, even TT "waiting to see if an Ace flops" etc or the occasional random bluff

Put your chips in and reload if he happens to have JJ, you can sleep comfortably knowing you made the right play.
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08-13-2016 , 05:18 PM
Call
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08-13-2016 , 05:28 PM
If I have aces and a SPR of 1, it is already decided that my stack is going in. The only thing to think about is the best way to do it so that my opponent can call with the widest possible range.

If he open ships he saves me that thought.
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08-13-2016 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyLikeABird
You should be fist pump calling here, not considering making an "exploitable fold."

Even if we give him an ultra snug range of AA/KK/JJ you are still a solid favorite in the hand. QQ and AKs are also super reasonable for him to have. With your image/history with the villain I wouldn't even be surprised to see AJ, AQss, even TT "waiting to see if an Ace flops" etc or the occasional random bluff

Put your chips in and reload if he happens to have JJ, you can sleep comfortably knowing you made the right play.
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Originally Posted by javegam
Call
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Originally Posted by DK Barrel
If I have aces and a SPR of 1, it is already decided that my stack is going in. The only thing to think about is the best way to do it so that my opponent can call with the widest possible range.

If he open ships he saves me that thought.
Agreed guys. If you read up a few posts I did snap call. Didn't think about it for a second. Just wanted to be sure my thought process was correct throughout the hand.
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08-13-2016 , 09:20 PM
Started reading and fell asleep.
Once I cut trough all the unnecessary braggy stuff I identified this as a ya duh call spot.
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08-13-2016 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Started reading and fell asleep.
Once I cut trough all the unnecessary braggy stuff I identified this as a ya duh call spot.
Okay I'll bite. What exactly was so braggy?
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