I had just been transferred to this table. Never played with any of the villains, but most of the table is sitting on 200 BBs or more. My stack is 300, max buy in.

I post in the cutoff and get dealt 73o. 3 limpers in front, i check, button limps, small completes and BB checks.

Flop(14) 7 6 3

UTG limper bets 10. 2 callers to hero, who raises to 60. UTG deliberates for about 5 seconds then calls. MP shoves for 80 more. Hero?

My thinking at the time when UTG called was he had some sort of draw. He looked like he wanted to shove. Pretty confident I am ahead of UTG. Its the MP that concerns me. The ollllll overcall shove. Hate this spot.

Hero flats, UTG Flats.

Turn(384) 2.

Board is 7 6 3 2

UTG checks to hero. Hero shoves.

I wanted to get value out of UTG who I put on something in the 88-1010 range or any draw(FD, pair + FD, etc). Something i could definitely get decent value from. Thoughts on all streets is much appreciated.

Thanks

I'm getting out on the flop. Raise is OK, I guess, but so much beats us. It might be weak, but I'm folding to the $80. What do you do if UTG comes over the top? Also, if you think UTG is on a draw, why did you let him draw? If you think you are ahead of MP, shove now so UTG can't get there. If not, fold. I just don't feel comfortable with this hand. Even if you are ahead of UTG (and MP for that matter), so many cards beat you. Don't go broke in a limped pot, especially with two pair that is easily dominated.

I see 2 hands that beat us. 54 and 66 (obv combos of 7 and 3, but much more unlikely for obv reasons). When you say raise is OK, what do you prefer? Flat call 10? Fold 2 pair? I mean in hindsight I think the proper play is to either re-shove flop or fold, but im J/w what everyone thinks. Thanks for the post.

Hand is a trivial fold pre.

On the flop, lack of reads makes it difficult. You're left calling 80 into about 280 as is (and 80 into 360 if UTG calls). I think it's probably pretty close, equity-wise, as long as UTG comes along. If you include any draws in his range, you're probably priced in, but it's not a very rich spot by any stretch of the imagination.

The real goal is to get UTG all in if you're going to continue. If he will call a flop shove, I think you have to get it in there.

LOL @ fold pre. I was posting to come into the game in the cutoff. I would never limp 73o. Thats fish ****. I pretty much dont limp period @ 1-2.

I think in hindsight i should have shoved flop. UTG I think says **** it and calls it off also with most of his draw range. His value range that is beating me is much smaller than his draw range.

Thx for the input though. I wish I could use an equity calculator but im at work ATM.

Don't post. Posting serves no purpose and it's just bad. Just wait the 3-4 hands and never put in money blind that you don't have to (button straddles are an exception). As played, jam flop after mp shoves.

I see two hands on the flop, yes, but the combos are possible, so we have 67, 33, and 77. Plus, letting UTG draw to anything is bad. So many turn cards suck. As you said, if he's drawing, you need to get the money in no the flop. However, if you are beaten by MP already and you let UTG draw, you can't win any more from him -- or you lose to him -- and MP takes the pot anyway.

Raising the flop is fine, but I'm done with it when MP pushes. You don't even have reads on any of them.

Never folding top and bottom in this spot. That's way too tight. ^^

Maybe, but it's either fold flop or shove. I think I've lost more money with two pair than any other hand -- especially top/bottom or middle/bottom. And that's a terrible board for 73o with that many limpers/callers. I'm scared of almost any turn except a 7 or 3 (and the card that came, lol).

AHHhhhh But i was in CO lol. Thats like...6 hands! So long! . Your right though. Its a pretty trivial spot that i should have just been patient and waited to post BB, then i wouldnt have gotten myself into this ****ty spot.

I disagree. Definitely posting in the CO when we get so few hands per hour at a table that's likely really bad.

Did MP shove for $90 or $140? How does that make the pot $384 on the turn?

let me guess utg had a draw or overpair like 99 and MP woke up with some random hand like 76 or 66

140

The final hands sir, would adjust responses to results oriented thinking . Also, sometimes people win with donk hands but just wanted to make sure they played it right.

JP lol. UTG had 89 and MP had 54. I think the way i played shoving flop is best. However, i just thought of another line. Can i raise smaller, to maybe like 45 or so (OTF)? That way its a lot easier to fold to a shove? If a safe turn card comes and it checks to me we are bombing it.

OK, so there's $444 in there on the turn.

I guess I'm folding to the all-in. You don't have them both beat, so you're breaking even at best.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

231,168 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 7 6 3

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
98	28.70%	66,356	0
54	53.10%	122,740	0
7s 3s	18.20%	42,072	0

different with ranges, but you get the idea that it's likely to be close/slightly -EV on the flop, but you are likely ahead of UTG (as you note) so you can probably make up enough equity with a shove

No. You seemed to pay attention to the stack sizes before the hand saying most were 200bb deep. MP short stack flatting or overcalling on the flop is no cause for concern.

You shouldn't be worried about a short stacked guy back-raising on a wet board when it happens fairly rarely. You raise for value.

Depends on the other stacks, IMO

yeah, pretty much this

Haha well yeah obv knowing MP has 54 my equity is ****. But at the time i leveled myself into thinking MP had a flush draw. My final deduction was UTG had 88-1010 and MP had draw. I think that range easy to continue (obv). Too narrow of thought for this spot?

If you're raising to fold, then just call the $10. But who's shoving? You weren't folding anyway.

You wanted to make it at least $76, so that if MP shoves UTG can not come over the top.

No, 54 really isn't THAT terrible for you because it doesn't block your outs. You have 6 clean outs against that.

76 or 66, now THAT would be awful.

Love this. And its also an easy call from MP's shove. For whatever reason I did not consider the sizing compared to MPs stack, because at the time there were 5 others in the hand who were deep and I did not want to fully commit until a safe turn card peeled. 60 seemed about right, but an extra 16 bucks makes it easier. Thx

You mean 4 right? If i see his hand faceup its a snap fold as my equity is in the 15% range and i need over 6-1 for a profitable call.