$1/3 standard loose limp/call fest

V $150 MAAG - fits the stereo type.
H $300 40’ish white. Playing tight ABC but V isn’t paying attention plus we’ve both been at the table for 1/2 an hour.

H UTG+1 makes it $15 w/ AsJs. Random calls from MP. V calls from blind. Everyone else folds.

Flop ($42)

6s2s2h

v checks, H makes it $25, V calls.

Turn ($91)
8c

V checks. H? Do I fire again repping a bigger pair, trying to get V to fold a mid pair or just check and take my equity to the river?

It's a good board to cbet on flop because it is so hard to hit so you should get lots of folds. However, once someone calls the flop they have a load of 6X+ and when a lowish card comes on the turn they're going to struggle to fold because they will be habitually putting you on AK/AQ type hands. So I don't expect you to get any folds on turn for another half pot bet.

Now if V were strong enough to pay you off when you make it on the river with a flush you could make an argument for betting again on turn in order to keep your hand disguised for when you do hit. Trouble is if he's strong enough to call 3 barrels he may well be strong enough to X/R turn or beat a single pair on an A or J river. Worse you could tripple barrel on a flush river AND then get raised - not nice on a paired board.

Therefore I think I'd check back and see what river brings. We don't have to be balanced against a bad rec so I'm not concerned about checking a good semibluffing hand. Also, and I'm not certain here, but there's maybe an argument for checking turn FOR balance...

You'll be forced to check this turn with most of your non-FD over cards so if you always double barrel all your FDs you'll never show up on the river with a flush after checking the turn.

Vs this player I'd generally check because he has 2x hands he could check ship and also isn't likely to fold many one pair hands. We can get value from worse flush draws but i'd rather check turn and possibly call a river bet on blank rivers.

If you were the villain in this hand I'd rather bet turn hard because I don't think you have many 2x hands and we can put a lot of pressure on your middle pair hands and still can realize our equity.

As others have said, Villain is probably not folding to another bet, and it would also suck to be checkraised.

Consequently, I check back.

I agree w/ everyone, checking is best. Not at all what I did in game but surely the right move.

I disagree with everyone, I think firing is the best move. You have loads of equity and can put a lot of pressure on Villains 6x and small pairs. I would probably just put my man to the test and wager all my chips as he only has $110 (a small overbet) left in his stack or maybe bet something smaller that can still induce a shove from his flushdraws which you obviously dominate...
I'm happy to get the money in with this hand and maybe would bet the flop a little larger to have closer to a pot-sized turn shove... somewhere along the lines of $35-$40...
Sometimes you run into it but that's the game... i mean you could even be value betting vs his dominated draws.

This was exactly my thinking in game. I bet $45, V c/r’d AI, I snap called. He had 72o and I missed on river. I think expecting this V to fold any pair to pressure was optimistic at best.

I don't think so. I think he would fold his 6x and underpairs. He happened to have trips. Your play was fine just happened to run into it there. If he is calling a raise with 72o he is basically calling anything in the bb. Also I think you should size up a little OTT, esp if you are playing deeper so you can setup a nice river shove. What was your plan if he called and you brick the river?

The guy called 1/10 his stack with 72o and you think he’s folding any 6? That seems unlikely to me.

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There's no reason to bet the flop or turn imo. All you're doing is charging yourself to draw to your flush or making people fold very few outs.

Check flop and turn with this hand. Use flush draws that don't have showdown value to bluff with.

Yes it does seem likely to me. There are lots of players that are quite sticky preflop at these stakes but not as much postflop, especially when their hands have little room to improve. On this board I would consider firing 3 barrels with anything on brick runouts... especially when I know the player in the bb is calling with pretty much anything.
If this guy snaps me off with 6x or an underpair I take note of this and don't try the same next time we are in a hand...

I limp/evaluate this hand in EP, especially at loose tables where we'll often go 5+ ways to a raise (sending up awkward and uncomfortable pot commitment decisions ASAP on the flop).

What are the chances of random betting the flop if we check it? If his stack is also short like the Villain's, I like a check/shove (good FE to go with our good hand equity). If it checks thru, whatever, take our free card. With all our equity I don't hate a bet either.

As played, Villain only has about a PSB left and it's a relatively smallish PSB that can go in so easily in most 1/3 NL games. I check it back and just hope to hit. ETA: Having said that, a shove can't hardly be horrible; if all our outs are clean, a shove offers ourselves just slightly worse than the odds we need plus we should have *some* FE.

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Our equity is way to strong to check on this flop (unless you have a plan to raise), particularly against this villain who is likely to show up with a lot of weaker draws that we can get value from.

If we limp this hand and flop a flush draw on a 622 board, we can't really rep an overpair, and a check/shove will get snapped off by any decent player that has you beat.

We have very good equity on this flop and there aren't a lot of hands that are way ahead of us. Boats, 2x, A6, and JJ+ are the only ones. I'm happy to get it in vs everything else (including draws which we are way ahead of). Also, they do have fold equity. Personally, I check raise flops like this with draws as well as strong hands for balancing purposes which is not as important if you don't play with the same players all the time.

But how much 2x are you going to limp in or behind with? your range will be weighted to so many draws I think it will be quite hard to balance... on more dynamic boards I can see this play working better. I would snap you off with any 2 pair combo if you x/rip a 622 board. I also think the villain profile of this thread would too.

I'm less concerned with having to deal with this situation than I am concerned about dealing with a situation where we raise and go ~5ways to a flop (standard in my game) facing a commitment decision for stacks on the flop in an SPR <= 4 pot against stacks as big as ours (and lol <= 2 against smaller stacks). Obviously the rare time we flop as well as this it is not a concern, but the most common hand we'll flop is a mere one pair, and that sucks (at least, imo) in the situation I expect.

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I do not often have a 2 in this particular spot but I do often have a 2 on this type of board...in fact I've recently won some massive pots with trip 2s and trip 3s getting it in vs overpairs that were under 10% to win the hand. Since I don't have many 2s on this particular spot I'd widen my value shove line to include hands like AA/KK. That being said, I have no problem with the villain snapping me off with 2 pair combos. We are within a percentage point of being a coin flip vs vs the vast majority of pair combos. Regardless of how you will play it, many people will fold their middle pairs here.

The villain profile here might snap you off with 34o.

edit: oops, didn't realize the question. If this was limped pre then I am far more likely to have 2x in this spot. Mostly A2 sooted but potentially others depending on many factors including how the table is playing and how well/poorly I am playing.

Yes. Not a good DB card IMO and he is short enough that you won't be able to B/F the turn here so best to take your equity to the river and evaluate.

What non-nut flush draws are we opening for 5x UTG+1?

We can get value when we have 77-KK here. The purpose of the check is to keep a strong range of hands in our check-back range so when we check back AQo we don't constantly get bet into on the turn by air, and can realize our overcard equity.

I mean... I don't open 5x, but if you do open for 5x. You better have T9s-KQs in that range or else what are you doing, opening different amounts with different hands like a madman?

Jamming turn.

Is this a full table? Does folding this hand make me a turbo nit? I'm 100% mucking AJo pre in this spot without a second thought.

I also fold AJo in EP without a second thought. However, in this case we're sooooted. I think coming in for a limp with this hand is best (although lots will be in the raise camp).

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