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05-25-2013 , 11:39 PM
2-5 at Aria.

i got 1200 and straddle to $10 utg,

mid pos makes it $45, BB flats and I flat w 66.

mid pos is young guy who just busted the nightly and is drinking cognac or whisky or apple juice but he looks a little boozed but still knows what he is doing to an extent as he has been decently active and aggressive. he started hand w $800ish

BB is an asian female from LA, solid basic and nitty player, kinda cute and I has big cans which i keep trying to get a glimpse of but failing. she has about 1k total.

Flop comes Q 10 6 and I am happy in my pants w bottom set.

check, check and mid pos makes it $80 into about $150. BB flats and I make i think and make it $235. Young guy tanks for a while and looks uncomfortable before shipping approx $650 more and is allin. BB acts relatively quickly (approx 1 min) and declares allin.

my boner has now disappeared and I am but decide to call as I think he has AA, KK, AK(unlikely) and she can have any flush /straight combo Q10 or bigger set.

thoughts?
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05-25-2013 , 11:50 PM
Call. V1 could have AA/KK/AQ or royal draw and v2 could have QT or a draw. If you got set over setted then suck it up and rebuy.
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05-26-2013 , 12:00 AM
I lean pretty heavily towards fold. There is so much strength showed post flop. I think it is a set over set and mp has a over pair/combo draw.
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05-26-2013 , 12:48 AM
Both QQ and TT are in V1's range, along with KK/AA. There is no way AK is in his range imo unless its AKss. V1 isn't making this shove with jacks, and the BB is calling with either a combo draw, a set, or 2p. Anything weaker than that she isn't calling with if she is even decent at all, and you say she is.

Against either of the 2, I might be able to find it in me to call. Against both, I just think you are going down. I had a similar hand tonight and had to lay it down. My personal results in that hand may be influencing my thoughts there, but, the betting says you are beat here or at best they have half the deck as outs.
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05-26-2013 , 12:53 AM
[x] 100bb
[x] set
[x] drawy board
[x] not folding
[x] bbv

Seriously, how often is this an overpair or some kind of huge draw? Folding sets vs guys that just busted tourneys that are drinking is not good strat.

What kind of flop did you hope for? Are you quad mining? Fold pre & rack up or get it in.
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05-26-2013 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Hand Shaker
[x] 100bb
[x] set
[x] drawy board
[x] not folding
[x] bbv

Seriously, how often is this an overpair or some kind of huge draw? Folding sets vs guys that just busted tourneys that are drinking is not good strat.

What kind of flop did you hope for? Are you quad mining? Fold pre & rack up or get it in.
While I respect your opinion, I think a very important point here is that this is not head's up. If we are really ahead of 2 V's stacking off 180-200bb with bottom set, then you need to point me to this table, because I play 1-2 and I rarely see anyone stack off 150bb+ post-flop without AT LEAST bottom set.

I would gladly take this up against a single opponent, but not two.

Last edited by Starpoker; 05-26-2013 at 01:51 AM.
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05-26-2013 , 04:24 AM
cmon. easiest snap call ever. and you really don´t need more strategical advise than that.
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05-26-2013 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Hand Shaker
[x] 100bb
[x] set
[x] drawy board
[x] not folding
[x] bbv

Seriously, how often is this an overpair or some kind of huge draw? Folding sets vs guys that just busted tourneys that are drinking is not good strat.

What kind of flop did you hope for? Are you quad mining? Fold pre & rack up or get it in.
+1. I was thinking the same thing.

OP: Do you really think the Asian woman flats QQ or TT against the first bet with you left to act?
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05-26-2013 , 06:16 AM
i think the straddle is a bit of a tell. a lot of times at 2/5 if someone straddles to $10, the pfr will still open to $25 or $30 instead of $30 or $40 so as not to make the game too big and reducing the pfr edge.

this guy has elected to make it $45 and i don't think he's doing that with something like AJs, i think QQ+ and AK are a huge portion of his range.

same goes for the nitty asian woman. i'd take out AA and prolly KK cuz she's prolly rr those but TT-QQ and AK or AQs i'd expect to see.


Pokerstove

Board: Qs Ts 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hero: 35.599% 35.60% 00.00% 59792 0.00 { 6c6d }
mid pos (young guy): 21.340% 21.27% 00.07% 35721 121.00 { KK+, QcQd, QcQh, QdQh, AsKs }
BB (woman): 43.061% 42.99% 00.07% 72203 121.00 { QcQd, QcQh, QdQh, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, AcQc, AdQd, AhQh, AsJs, KsJs, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh }

*if we knew wether or not we had the 6 spades we could add A6ss to BB's range.
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05-26-2013 , 07:38 AM
certainly divides opinion. thanks for the responses

i am happy with my call as I think the lady 3 bet folds QQ OOP. the young guy had been raising alot to 5/6x pre $(25-30) with no straddle so $45 wasnt too much of an alarm bell. I guess that these are more a feel tell than anything though and hard to describe whilst in the game

therefore the lady IMO has Q10, 1010 or a draw.

its not impossible for him to have the nut draw w Ax and her a straight flush draw w KJ aswell.

even thought it is 200BB it is also 1 buy in and for me personally in a cash game where I have a roll that I am comfortable with I think i should go with this even if it is very marginal.

anyway all the money goes in and

young guy has AA (no spade)

Lady has 1010 (and im crushed)

board runs out

Q 10 6 Q Q

the only saving grace was that the money went to the drunk kid and he had a chance to give it back.

he didnt thought as 5 minutes later he got it in for 150BB again w 1010 on a Jack high flop and sucked out on AA w a river 10. rungood much?

:-)
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