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07-05-2016 , 09:36 PM
Villain flopped the nuts with AQ so I was pretty much in trouble either way.
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07-05-2016 , 10:22 PM
I don't see much merit to the turn shove. There simply aren't many worse hands that will call you.

This is the dude's first hand. People usually play tight their first orbit or 2. Regardless, at least in my games, people don't default stack off 100 bbs with worse than 2 pair and the ones who do need TPTK or an overpair to do so. Here it's pretty hard for him to have aces since there is only one combo of pocket aces left and he didn't 4bet pre-flop. Also, there are only 6 combos of AK out.

My line would be to check the flop and then bet or call the turn + play poker on the river. With the exception of KQ sometimes, most broadways that you beat would've folded preflop to the 3bet.
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07-05-2016 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
Villain flopped the nuts with AQ so I was pretty much in trouble either way.
Not really.
Check flop.
Call his $40 turn bet.
Seriously consider folding the river. Against certain people, I would fold the turn.
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07-05-2016 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Not really.
Check flop.
Call his $40 turn bet.
Seriously consider folding the river. Against certain people, I would fold the turn.
Don't do this, whatever you do.
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07-05-2016 , 11:48 PM
Yeah, just look down at AA and keep pouring money in no matter what and then call it a cooler when you lose. Great strategy!
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07-06-2016 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Yeah, just look down at AA and keep pouring money in no matter what and then call it a cooler when you lose. Great strategy!
AQ>AA in a pot with SPR of 2 is the very definition of a cooler unless you want to start soul reading everyone for the nuts.

If V had 600 behind should you stack off? No, probably not without a read. But if you run this hand a million times against V's range, folding will always be the nut worst outcome.
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07-06-2016 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamitontheriver
AQ>AA in a pot with SPR of 2 is the very definition of a cooler unless you want to start soul reading everyone for the nuts.

If V had 600 behind should you stack off? No, probably not without a read. But if you run this hand a million times against V's range, folding will always be the nut worst outcome.
Not in the games I play in. We will have to agree to disagree.
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07-06-2016 , 09:27 AM
call turn call blank rivers imo. That turn card is actually pretty perfect for us.
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07-06-2016 , 10:14 AM
Don't 3 bet if you want to pot control. Lmao.

Or just fold pre. Isn't that what we tell almost everyone?

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07-06-2016 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Don't 3 bet if you want to pot control. Lmao.

Or just fold pre. Isn't that what we tell almost everyone?

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I checked, moreso because some players feel more comfortable betting 2 streets with top pair rather than calling 2 streets with it. Cant really pot control being so shallow. Whether this villain thinks like that, im not sure. That being said, I think i misplayed the hand here since KQ is probably calling 2 streets here.
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07-06-2016 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
I checked, moreso because some players feel more comfortable betting 2 streets with top pair rather than calling 2 streets with it. Cant really pot control being so shallow. Whether this villain thinks like that, im not sure. That being said, I think i misplayed the hand here since KQ is probably calling 2 streets here.
I like checking behind this flop as well. Its not the greatest for our range, but we are still ahead a lot of the time and drawing to the nuts.
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07-06-2016 , 03:13 PM
Bet flop/shove turn. As played call turn call river - I guess, I don't really like the checkback on the flop. You're beating more than half the hands that would get it in, get value on flop.
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07-06-2016 , 04:03 PM
Not sure checking flop is a good play. Just bet for value and evaluate if he raises.
As played, call. Raising is too strong. You only get called by better
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07-06-2016 , 04:45 PM
Let's look at the combos on the flop. Say V calls the 3bet with: AKo-AQo, AKs-AQs, QQ-TT and 4bets AA,KK.

AKo: 3 combos
AKs: 1 combo
AQo: 6 combos
AQs: 2 combos
QQ: 6 combos
JJ: 3 combos
TT: 3 combos (1 once we get to the turn)

You beat 10 combos and are crushed by 14 on the flop. The turn removes 2 combos of TT, now you're beat by 12. The problem here is we block so many combos of hands we want to value bet against (AK). I changed my mind, I don't mind checking the flop. I still think we should call the turn - if V has AK he's much more likely to put in his stack if we call turn / ship river after he checks. If V leads river we probably should fold.
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07-06-2016 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by thetruewheel
Let's look at the combos on the flop. Say V calls the 3bet with: AKo-AQo, AKs-AQs, QQ-TT and 4bets AA,KK.

AKo: 3 combos
AKs: 1 combo
AQo: 6 combos
AQs: 2 combos
QQ: 6 combos
JJ: 3 combos
TT: 3 combos (1 once we get to the turn)

You beat 10 combos and are crushed by 14 on the flop. The turn removes 2 combos of TT, now you're beat by 12. The problem here is we block so many combos of hands we want to value bet against (AK). I changed my mind, I don't mind checking the flop. I still think we should call the turn - if V has AK he's much more likely to put in his stack if we call turn / ship river after he checks. If V leads river we probably should fold.
Thats basically a better analysis of what I said, but I think he has even more hands in his range. Lots of people raise with any 2 suited broadway cards and hate to fold to a 3bet. He could easily have a lot 2 pair hands on the flop as well.

If hes tight and you get action after this flop, you are crushed. If hes loose and still called a 3 bet, and then gives you action post flop, you are behind his range although it would be closer to 50/50 against his whole range if you got all in.
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07-07-2016 , 08:17 PM
We're not quite "crushed" against a 2 pair, we have 38%. edit: Against thetruewheel's range plus KJs,KJo,JTs we have 49%...
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