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Old 09-20-2018, 02:47 PM   #1
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Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

I don't have a ton of live experience but have been going to a live game about once a week for a few weeks now. My question is around being too tight at live. I find the table is very loose/passive. There will often be multiple limpers with very few raises. When there are raises it doesn't seem to trim the field and I feel most limpers will just call. I end up not playing many hands and am wondering if I'm just being too tight or if this is a good strategy at a loose/passive game? Overall I'm winning live but not sure it's because of great play. I'm fairly new to studying poker so my main focus right now is just on my ranges. I practice online with 6-max range charts open and generally try and use these same ranges when I play live full ring game. Should I worry about being too tight or in a game like this is being tight a good strategy? What adjustments are good to make at a table that is pretty loose/passive?

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Old 09-20-2018, 03:02 PM   #2
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

You want to focus on entering pots with a stronger range than your opponents, they will be calling you pre-flop regardless of your tight image so focus on your bet sizings; Playing tight isn't bad if you are also aggressive, if you are super card dead and you look like a total nit then you can take advantage of your perceived table image and play some hands that you otherwise wouldn't play but like I said they don't pay too much to attention to table image . Take them to value town all day , they hate folding. But some players are terrified of big bets so sometimes you actually want to size down on some river bets, I need to learn how to do this more lol hope this helps
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Old 09-20-2018, 03:40 PM   #3
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

Tight is right in these games. Especially if they are loose sticky types. It's pretty boring ABC poker, you just wait for good hands and pound them with the value bets. Take your strong range and just bet bet bet postflop and be very aggressive. They will have no way to defend this because their range is just too weak and full of garbage hands.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:01 PM   #4
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

Note that they will "defend" by calling a lot post. Don't make that correct for them by barreling air a lot. It is fine to raise AK to 10bb over a couple of limpers, get two-three callers and then end up folding on a Q82r board when one of them donks and another calls. Just remember how profitable it will be when they all miss, or especially when they hit but you hit harder.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:04 PM   #5
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

Above posters are correct is that you want to play tight in these games.

To be more specific, you always want to be playing a style that is opposite of the majority of the table. If they were all nits/rocks, then you would be wise to be raising in position frequently preflop. In this case all that will do is bloat the pot preflop.

When I play loosey goosey live home games, I will be happy to raise my normal range when I am 1st in the pot, however if there are limpers in front of me I just come along for the ride and see what the flop brings. If I have a very strong hand, I am raising huge like 10-15x depending on the number of limpers.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:19 PM   #6
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

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Note that they will "defend" by calling a lot post. Don't make that correct for them by barreling air a lot. It is fine to raise AK to 10bb over a couple of limpers, get two-three callers and then end up folding on a Q82r board when one of them donks and another calls. Just remember how profitable it will be when they all miss, or especially when they hit but you hit harder.
This is true but think about applying the pyramid concept. If they call too much pre there must be somewhere they fold too much post to make up for it. Unless they call a lot every street including the river in which case you obviously never barrel and just play pure valuetown the whole way.

However, often in these games you can find that people will peel flop wide and fold turn too much or they won't call big river bets. I agree that primarily we focus on value betting and playing our strong tight range in these games. However, even against loose opponents once you get a feel for their style you will find opportunities to pound them with double and triple barrels (with the correct frequencies of course).

Important though don't just do this with air like Garick says semibluffing with equity with draws should still play a part in your game.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:26 PM   #7
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

Yeah the big temptation to fight in "no fold 'em hold 'em" is to play way too many hands yourself. It can be frustrating when you're playing like 10% of hands, but then the 5 opponents in the pot w/ you with 60% hand ranges seem to just outdraw you constantly. Let them limp their 73s. Yes they're hit the flop hard sometimes. You'll hit the flop harder more.

Plus, take a typical live 1/2 @ 150 bb scenario where you make some 8 bb raise (which looks absurd from our POV), get action in 5 spots, and before you know it you have a 3 SPR situation after only investing less than 6% of your stack. Now when you have AK and the flop is K84, you're in a hugely profitable spot against the guy who just couldn't find a fold with KTo this hand.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:29 PM   #8
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

I don't have a ton of experience live also, although in other posts, I may have given the opposite impression, apologies.
That's why I much prefer these type of loose/ passive games my self.
I can see a lot more flops when I don't have to worry about being raised too much.
For example, I might raise and take the initiative in early position with KJ, where that would be a fold at an aggressive table.
I'll take more stabs at the pot in position, if not too many people saw the flop, in a passive game.
I think the secret is, in a passive game, you should certainly see more flops but, unless otherwise warranted, don't go crazy and become over aggressive, thinking you'll steam roll your opponents.
It certainly allows you to see more flops. Another key to such tables, in my humble opinion, is to loosten up but still play better hands than villains.
You should look up gobbledygeek"s thread. I like his approach in these types of games.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:23 PM   #9
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

You want to play tight.. loosen up a bit with good position. Then chop away at pots. Small, controlled bets. Wait for the loose players to make big mistakes, which they always do then go for the killing blow.

That’s 1-2 no limit in a nutshell.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:27 PM   #10
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

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You want to play tight.. loosen up a bit with good position. Then chop away at pots. Small, controlled bets. Wait for the loose players to make big mistakes, which they always do then go for the killing blow.

That’s 1-2 no limit in a nutshell.
Lmao good post
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:43 AM   #11
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Lmao good post
Hero said the table is loose/ passive with lots of limping and very few raising. Why would anyone recommend to someone to tighten up in this kind of game?

I'm sort of dumbfounded. I would be grateful for further explanation as I am massively confused.

I guess I won't be posting anymore advice/ opinions for quite a while anymore.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:53 AM   #12
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

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Yeah the big temptation to fight in "no fold 'em hold 'em" is to play way too many hands yourself. It can be frustrating when you're playing like 10% of hands, but then the 5 opponents in the pot w/ you with 60% hand ranges seem to just outdraw you constantly. Let them limp their 73s. Yes they're hit the flop hard sometimes. You'll hit the flop harder more.

Plus, take a typical live 1/2 @ 150 bb scenario where you make some 8 bb raise (which looks absurd from our POV), get action in 5 spots, and before you know it you have a 3 SPR situation after only investing less than 6% of your stack. Now when you have AK and the flop is K84, you're in a hugely profitable spot against the guy who just couldn't find a fold with KTo this hand.
THIS X 1000, Well said!
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:59 AM   #13
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Re: Feeling Too Tight at Live .5/1 and 1/2

A lot of good advice.

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This is true but think about applying the pyramid concept. If they call too much pre there must be somewhere they fold too much post to make up for it. Unless they call a lot every street including the river in which case you obviously never barrel and just play pure valuetown the whole way.

However, often in these games you can find that people will peel flop wide and fold turn too much or they won't call big river bets. I agree that primarily we focus on value betting and playing our strong tight range in these games. However, even against loose opponents once you get a feel for their style you will find opportunities to pound them with double and triple barrels (with the correct frequencies of course).

Important though don't just do this with air like Garick says semibluffing with equity with draws should still play a part in your game.
I've seen people post this a few times. I'd be pretty careful with it.

Realize that if someone is check calling you down through the river with top pair plus and giving up on the turn with worse you could bleed an awful lot of chips constantly trying to blow them off hands.

Plus not all Vs are as totally clueless as we like to think. You have tells and occasionally they will pick up on them even if it's intuitive. Sometimes they will just kind of get that your line makes no sense even if they don't know what a line is. Most players have a lot of experience now a days. Not that they are soul readers but you will get sniffed out from time to time and it will be expensive.

In a game like this, I prefer fewer bluffs with higher leverage, like well chosen turn raises, unless they are calling those too.
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