V is 30s russian bought in full (1000), double-barreled him once and check-folded river, earlier 3! SB QQ and folded to UTG 4! from another player, he had AA and showed, I mucked facedown...also V c/r river w/AsQh on Q45ccXKc so he can go for thin value...all in all, seems creative and competent.

I prob appear weak-tight cause i've barreled oop and ch/folded river twice in the last two orbits, down to about 850 from 1200. V did see me c/r nut flush otr earlier after betting flop/turn, as well as c/c, c/c and bomb river with JT on J9648 when fd came in vs fit or fold opponent. (I think this is particularly relevant due to river action in this hand...)

ES 850

V opens to 20 UTG+1, I flat ThTs, 2 callers.

Flop (80) Jh 4s 3s
V leads 40, I flat all fold.

Turn (120) Jc
V ch, I lead 85, V tank-calls.

River (290) Kc
V ch, I lead 150, V shoves.

which street is worst? also, since v knows i know he knows i'm capped at like underfulls, maybe even AJs, and is he ever turning less than QQ/AA or AKss into a bluff?

that the fd missed makes it more likely that i call. i think he (gasp) merged in llsnl. or i'm over thinking it and he c/shoved KK nh fml.

One question was 20 a big pre-flop raise for this table?

It seems like you are just clicking buttons (villain too). Not sure what you are getting value out of on the turn or river. Not sure why you are betting this river vs a villain that has the potential to check/raise bluff when our hand can't stand a raise.

Anyways, you are repping mostly trip jacks+ and he is repping JJ/KK.

I would check behind here. Tank called turn with draws or overs .. or both. You had a decent showdown hand that you now must fold. GL

No, but V had opened to 20 consistently. Rest of table opened to 25-35.

Bet calling this river seems like a terrible idea. Check behind with showdown value.

Thank you.

Hard to see him raising KK for only 20 bucks here. So I find that unlikely. However, our villain seems extremely nutted. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned up KJ.

Worst play was on the river. Should of just checked it back. What is calling us that we can get value from is what we should be asking ourselves? I'm folding now.

I thinking checking the turn and checking the river would both be better.

Check the turn to let him barrel his air on the river and because it's difficult to get value from worse hands. Check the river because you have SDV in a nice pot. This seems like that rare V that's capable of c/r bluffing the river.

There's no need to try to get 3 streets of value with a pair lower than the board's top pair. I'm not sure I'd even bet the river with QQ. What hands can V have that are putting money on the flop, turn, and river that we beat? If he's "competent" as described, he's not stationing off with pocket 8s.

So no betfold?

While villain could have KJ, it's unlikely given the turn action where he should pretty much always be barreling with KJ.

Why are you bet folding vs a villain that you know can bluff raise? What hands are you trying to get value from?

+1

pretty standard until the river. what are we representing here?

AK, QQ+ - should be a 3! pre, so no...
JJ, maybe but we are pretty deep, maybe we 3bet it pre or flop to build pot.

there are more pairs in our range and our line here, ofc we can have sets.
having said that, villains line looks more QQ+, AK too. so i would just check back river.

I'm okay with the turn bet. Once villain calls the turn, I check behind OTR.

We have show down value against a lot of pocket pairs that may have played it this way.

But I think our hand is too weak in case he happened to get there with AK or KQ (which would have been a bad call by him on the turn) or he was slowplaying a J.

Bet/fold, as another person said, is bad against this specific villain because he has shown the ability to check raise bluff the river or check raise for thin value. Think about what he likely thinks you have. You called the J high flop and then bet when another J hit. He then check raised you OTR. He likely weighs your hand heavily to trip Js and yet he still check raised you. No bet/fold.

I might have bet smaller OTT $65/$70, checking back River always, don't see many reasons in betting.

+1. Turn bet was fine, river should've been a check behind.

Quote: which street is worst?

The river bet is by far the worst. What better hands are folding? What worse hands are calling? In my opinion none and none. You have showdown value, and now that you bet and are raised you are seriously leveling yourself.