1/3, Tuesday evening, 9-handed
Mix of good and bad players. Table reasonably tight.

VillainA (25yo white male, aggressive, dangerous 25/20 player, $650) raises to $15 from early position
VillainB (30yo Asian male, 15/12 TAG) calls
Hero ($950) calls from the cutoff with 3s 3d
Everyone else, including the blinds fold


Flop (3 players, $49): Ah 9h 3h

Villain A bets $40
Villain B calls
Hero raises to $150
Villain A moves all in
Villain B folds
What do you do?

I assign him a range. Opening from EP, he's going to have an Ace here a TON. AA, AKs, AKo with Kh, AQo with Qh, 99, maybe A9s. KQs, KJs, maybe one or other two loose hands with a pair and a heart (unlikely). You say this board is wet, but wet just implies that a wide variety of different holdings just improved - which isn't exactly the case here. We have one suit on the board which means there are limited combos of flushes he could have hit, there are very limited combos of drawing hands he could have. If you run that range in an equity calculator, you've kind of got a chokehold on his range. Unless this guy is super tight, I just don't see myself folding. Maybe I could be missing a few flopped flushes that he's opening from EP.


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Ok let's see .... if I flopped a flush here am I going to shove on flop ..... prob not ( shove on turn instead).... so what can I have maybe xK,with the Kh , 2 pairs or a set myself


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nailed it


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This is a call, and a kick the cat if villan flopped kqhh, your 25/20 guy (really doubt these numbers stack up in live play, but whatever) shouldn't be opening kthh utg based on your numbers, or indeed any other flushs maybe qjhh and jthh but tbh they shouldn't be in a 25/20s utg open range..... Would expect 30-35+ if opening them from ep.....
As such we lose to kqhh, kjhh, aa, 99,
We are beating the rest of his range that he can do this with, axh....kkwith a heart qq with a heart....villan shouldn't have two pair..... Bases on your numbers, although a9 is obv possible also that should be the lower limit if his.range though.....
As such vs this range in this board easy gii..... If he has anything not mentioned, then he probably isn't 25/20

Annoying spot but you have to get it in. If he only has AKo or AQo w/ Kh and then sets and flushes other than that, you're still getting the right price to GII.

As indicated above, depends on range you assign to V and on his tendencies.

I don't think you can rule out shoving the flop with a flush. Some won't, but some will.

V shouldn't be raising 20% from EP. If he is, he's got a really wide range. Let's assume it's much tighter from EP (~9%):
99+
ATs+, KJs+, QJs
AJo+, KQo

And that he'll shove only with a flush, a set, or TP + NFD.

We're calling 495 to win 884 needing 36% equity.

For the above assumptions, we have only 29% equity and should fold.

If he's tighter, raising, say TT+, AJs+, AQo+, KQ and will shove only a flush, set, or TP + NFD, the we have 37% equity and it's a very thin call. Taking 99 and a few flush combos out of his range is a big deal.

If he'll also shove with AxQh, we've got 47% and it's a clear call.

Basically, his post-flop tendencies tell you whether he's ever shoving with a hand you beat (something like TP+FD or even wider) or not.

His preflop tendencies tell you what proportion of shoves are sets (AA vs. AA & 99) or made flushes (KhQh only or some other hands such as KhJh or QhJh) vs the TP + FD.

If he's only shoving flushes, sets, and TP + NFD you can call if he's tight pre (no 99 and fewer flushes mean more TP + NFD). If he's like this post but loose pre, you have to fold (99 and more flushes mean lower overall equity).

If he's shoving wider than that (TP + 2ndFD for example) you can call it off more or less regardless of his preflop range.

Step 1: put him on a range

Step 2: 485/1360

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Raising flop vs a "good player" is pretty bad.

That's a rough spot, against a good player I'm really leaning towards a fold. You're praying he only has AKo with Kh and even that has decent equity against you. Most of the time you run into a disaster spot against AA or 99.

If we flop a set, are we going to get paid off by either the raiser or the caller? If these guys are good, then I'm not convinced preflop is profitable. If the Button/blinds are fish filled, then I don't hate the flat, hoping we invite in one or two fish, which bumps up our immediate odds and our IO. But if we're likely to end up with the result we had, unless these two guys can spew, a fold is likely better.

I think even flop raise is very debatable against good players. What hands continue to a flop raise? AK with a flush draw? If I was V1, I would have checked that on the flop (course, maybe I'm not a good player). In the end this good player (I"m assuming?) just got in 200+bbs on the flop. How often does that happen in your game? How does your hand rank against the hands you see do that?

GcluelessNLnoobG

Again, I probably sucks at the poker, but I would check these hands most of the time in this spot given these big stacks. They are all pretty much WA/WB plus fear no draw; there ain't much reason to bet them, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I would not have raised OTF.

I guess you call it off here, but KhKx is probably the worst hand he can have here.

You get back about 2% equity for every KhXr hand he can have (if you start with a relatively tight range to begin with). Not sure how many KhXr hands he has tho. Is he really opening KXo from EP that often? Doubtful.

Not a great spot to be in. With position, you could easily have just called OTF and dodged a turn, and encouraged V2 to get more $$$ in drawing nearly dead.

i actually dislike the raise on the flop for the reasons mentioned above. you have a player adding dead money in the middle and a chance to get a lot of info on the turn

we are also behind a lot of his continue range esp when we size it this high

sucky spot but you cant really fold AxKh is a big parr of his range and raise/fold lights money on fire but i still dont mind fold as played. if raising you have to go for pure value imo...100...sizing here is awkward because only hands that can continue beat you or flip

Flat flop, AP calling but not super thrilled