Hero 250€
Villain old rec. No info. 400€

Utg limps, V otb limps, sb completes, hero raises to 15€ with QJ, utg folds, V 3b to 41€, sb folds, hero calls.
Flop (85) Q93
Hero checks, V checks
Turn (85) Q935
Hero checks, V bets 30, hero calls
River (145) Q9355
hero checks, V snap jams, hero?

WTF is this...really weird line

At this point, I fold. Recreational players almost always have KK+ when they pull that limp/reraise stunt. With (QJ-s) all you're playing for is a subnut flush or the straight. Even if the rec-fish is feeling a bit frisky and l/3! with (AK) you're still behind.

As played, get out. There wasn't much in the middle, and you're never good here.

This is 1/3 NL, right?

I just see rap the table preflop and see a flop; nice multiway hand in a nice multiway high SPR pot. Really dislike calling a 3bet OOP to an old guy for this large a percentage of our stack with this dominated hand, I just don't see how this can possibly be profitable. Spew, imo.

I'm also checking the flop.

Think I'm ok with turn.

Think I mostly lean towards check/folding the river. Yeah, it's a really weird line all the way thru. But the biggest thing to keep in mind is this guy just overjammed $180 on the river and that's the most important consideration to give weight to (with less weight to be given to how he played earlier cheaper streets).

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Weird line indeed.

As Kyu said if this is 1/2 or 1/3 a limp repop pre is pretty much a faceup big pocket pair.

Pot was pretty controlled until river. What are we beating here? Q10? Is v capable of bluffing AKo w/ A of hearts?

This is a sigh fold unless the V is known and you have a read, which sounds like you dont.

wow he limp raised you on the button? I think we should let this one go pre flop; not really deep enough and we'll be HU OOP; very strange he would limp raise a monster on the button; smells like KK+ probably didn't want to scare people away pf with a raise

This is 100% a read spot. Likely calling here after reads. But since we have non I can get behind a fold.

I'm sure you have excuse. But it amazes me how poor reads are on majority of posted HH.

what exactly do you mean?

Sorry for not writing more details, was in a hurry when i wrote this.
Because of mikko wondering...most of the time you cant have good reads when you are at the table with villain for a short period of time. He was more on the tight side but did this overbet shove once before in a 3 way pot otr. But i didnt see a single showdown so i cant say if he would do that as a bluff or if it is purely for value.
So because of not seeing showdowns i cant say much.

I also dont like my call too much because of being oop but i thought that villain is FOS. Why would somebody limp/3b a strong hand otb?? I can understand if they do it in ep, but otb?
What i have to add is that utg limper was a fish that limp/c a lot. So if btn had a big hand it wouldnt make sense to limp in hope the blinds raise.

Otr i thought he is either nutted or FOS. So it felt like maybe AK or a boat. Not sure if he would check back the NFD otf, bet very small ott when he hits and overbet jam on a paired river.

You already gave more info than was in OP.

I disagree it takes a lot of time to get reads. You already gave a few after I challenged you. Had someone challenged you before you started your session I am guessing you would have even more reads.

Sure we can't pinpoint ranges and tendancies in first few orbits. But after 30 mins we should have more reads than "Old Rec no info".

This is not attack on you.

Hands change dramatically as we use information gained from reads. Fact that we generally get poor reads from OP''s or no reads. Makes giving specific advice hard to do.

So best advice I would give you about hand is. Fold pre to L/RR

And concentrate on getting and incorporating reads and tendancies in HH you post.

All good man, i dont feel attacked.

You are right it was a poor description with more potential but like i said i was in a hurry.

Ofc you can get reads in a short period of time but u dont know if they are reliable or not.

Anyways i tank-folded and villain showed 99