Villain 1: Relentless Bluffer, but certainly somewhat capable of thinking. 600 Stack
Villain 2: One of the sickest stations I've ever seen. Lose passive fish. 500 Stack
Hero: Mid 20, lose/aggro reg. I cover them.

I straddle to 5, we're 7 handed. Villain 1 opens UTG for 10 lol. 5 callers, up to me with KsQc, certainly squeezable sometimes, especially against such a raise.

We just call. Flop K5d2d. PFR (Villain 1) makes it 6 lol, 3 callers, we raise to 37. PFR (Villain 1) raises to 110, BB (Villain 2) coldcalls.

Hero? In retrospective I like clicking it back here, He rarely will come over the top with a draw here imo. And we get value from Villain 2 who is likely drawing. Call/lead blank turns is also an option I guess.

In game I was thinking that lines where fish show weakness and then strenght (bet small/3bet) are often strong.

What do you think about that/his line/lines like that in general against maniac opponents?

This post is tilting.

In it OP is straddling, laughing at raise sizing, and playing against both a relentless bluffer and loose passive fish, both of whom are sitting on almost double the max buy in.

Part of me thinks your are justifying being so over ambitious with 1 pair here by giving these reads.

I have no idea what to do in your spot cuz I'd never be in it.

Why are you straddling in a game which already has someone pushing action?

You're in a weird spot because:

(1) You put in money blindly out of position when you didn't have to

You don't have to straddle to play big pots against whales. They are whales because they play big pots regardless of others actions

(2) there are 6 people in the hand and your raise sizing encourages calls while you have a vulnerable one pair hand.

My original post which was brain dead said the same thing - why the F are you straddling (your answer above isn't good justification) and you are over ambitious with a one pair hand....

Just raise to 15 or fold preflop and take it from there. With 6 callers and no straddle I bet you are less confused.

Or just dump KQo under the gun like a pro in these games, wait for nutted starting hands and play big pots with big hands against the fish

Wait, what? You limped in OOP with KQo, flopped top pair, and then checkraised to 37 with 56 in the pot and 4 other active players. Are you allergic to poker chips?

I think OP did fine. Where is it that you play? Are you looking for players?

I would insult you so bad but I would get banned for it.
I didn't limp KQo, I straddled and called 5 more closing the action. I mean can't you read or what?
Raise size is indeed too small though, yes.

@Ripacad: Where do you live?

In the northeast.

I got to the point where after laughing at sizing twice the OP raises a $6 bet to $37 in a $84 pot and gave up.

Nothing wrong with straddling here, especially with looser, fishy opponents. It helps the "fun" "gambling" atmosphere that you want.

As played, I am usually bombing this pre-flop to like $60 but as played I think this is fine. I would definitely fold to the $110 though and probably would have made my raise a bit larger....

This was played okay but find a better spot since you are facing all of this action now.

You can't call the $110 with TPDK... there's not much of a post here tbh. Villain 1 didn't get a stack of 600 from reraising with air against multiple opponents.

I mentioned that it's too small but reading doesn't seem to be one of your strengths. I'm sorry that I think it's funny to bet 6 in a 36 pot.

Raise size is too small but I don't want to scare away worse Kings + the only draws that will call are probably FDs and they don't get one penny out of my if the hit anyways. So what exactly is that wrong about it?

But you probably can't post useful comments. Troll on, buddy.

@Ripacad: Sry, I live in Germany



I ended up folding, Turn 2 went check check. River blank. Villain 2 bet 150.
Villain 1 tank called after 5 minutes with A7 off and was good.

I've thought about this hand quite a bit and I think I made at least a litlle sense of it.

I think what hero is doing is repping a set. But hero needs to understand that by doing that he is turning his hand into a bluff, and the play is flawed for two basic reasons. One, he is OOP, and B this is just the second street, there's two more streets to come. If the cards were all out this wouldn't be a bad play.

So I think it's obvious that hero did this without thinking ahead, about how he would play the turn and river after turning his hand into a bluff OTF. So that said, I don't think hero can play the turn well in the circumstances and should fold. If BB had not called the 3-bet, there might be some other way out, like maybe a jam.

LOL at your repeated insults, after you wrote this:

Exactly how did Villain 2 "cold call?"

Let it go guys, insults are funny but don't help us improve.

I don't like the straddle, the preflop call or the small flop raise multiway OOP. Nothing wrong with trying out some alternative lines but I think this is FPS. You can pick better spots to get creative than OOP, multiway with a paired trouble hand. I'd argue you don't need to get creative with villains like this in the game.

As played I think V1 can have either a made hand or a draw but I'm leaning more towards made hands and monster draws. I think this because V1 is a relentless bluffer so he is bad and he likely falls into the bad bluffer category of trying to trap with strong hands even though that makes his big betting ranges even weaker than they already are. The weak lead looks trappy, unfortunate that he's done it just to setup yet another ridiculous bluff!

V2 has a wide range of pairs+ and draws.

It is an easy fold having only invested 25bb so far and being in such a bad position to play the hand out like Badly beaten says. With the extra info from this hand I think the way to deal with this maniac V1 is to 3bet a wide value range preflop to quite big sizes intending to let him bluff all his chips at any reasonable hand we flop. The first important thing is getting it heads up so you aren't forced to fold any 1-pair hands in multiway pots so 3bets must be big. Second important thing is that SPR be low on flop therefore preflop sizing needs to be big.

3betting 99+ AJ+ KJ+ QJ might be a bit wide but I'd start there and see what happens.