1/2, 8 handed, 100bb effective
Just sat down about 10 minutes ago, so no reads on anyone
Hero in the SB with JJ
UTG limps, 2 other players limp
I raise to 17
UTG calls, as does button

Flop (53): 689 (2 spades) I do not remember if I had a spade, but I don't believe so
Hero bets 25
UTG raises to 100
Limper folds
Hero??

Readless just fold.

Probably a fold.

A note on sizing: On a connected board with a lot of draw you should size up on the flop. The 1/2 pot size is just bad as it allows your opponents to play almost perfect as they have great odds (and position) to call with any of the numerous pair+ draws, and/or straight and flush draws. Go smaller, and control the pot, or go larger and get some value.

On the fold. Yes, its 1/2. Players expect you to have an overpair a good chunk of the time you raise large pre-OOP and then fire into multiple opponents. They also don't expect anyone to ever fold an overpair since they don't. Hence, they think you have an overpair (which you do) and that doesn't bother them.

I think being on a downswing for a couple months caused me some serious tilt, because I think normally I'd fold it. But this time I jammed for the rest of my 100bb. UTG calls and he has KK. Turns out he limped/called preflop UTG with KK...very strange. But I definitely think tilt prevented me from folding.

Bad luck, and yes its strange that he didn't limp/re-raise. But that's live poker, lots of very passive play. Make note of the guy, when a guy that passive starts getting aggressive its time to head for the exit.

Yeah there’s players who do stuff like this with hands like KK and QQ: wait to make sure there’s no ace on the flop, and then overplay the crap out of their hand. It happened to work out great this time, since OP had the TT/JJ and no overcards flopped.

OP, as to the hand, I think checking is going to be pretty hot on this board. Probably looking to raise in order to GII by the turn.


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What is GII?

Get it in

1) UTG's PF line is odd all the way around.

2) On this type of flop, it does connect with secondary limpers' ranges more than your (perceived) range. Not sure a 9 high flop can connect with UTG (open-limping) range?

3) In this exact type of spot, I prefer to check and hope to actually c/r a late position as it would help to fold other limpers, even if they were on the edge of calling as their calls can then get further re-raised making any drawing hand a bad proposition. I know I am giving unlimited odds to over cards with a free card if everyone checks, but if I check myself into a spot where I have to fold, I offer my $17 PF raise to the poker gods in hopes finding a better spot to win that money back.

4) If it goes bet and then a raise before getting back to you after you've checked, you're almost certainly done with the hand, especially with it being multi-way.

5) Not saying UTG with KK is going to fold, but I think his re-raising becomes a little less likely and he leans more towards probably just flatting depending on the size of the bet and the c/r. If UTG 3-B shoves flop, I don't know what LP does but either way, I am done with hand.

6) If UTG and LP both call c/r. I am definitely checking turn, even if it's a safe card. Even with a safe river (I am talking like any combos of 2,3, and 4's that don't make flush) I am probably still reduced to c/c depending on how action goes - overcall position is the toughest. Specifically, a running pair of 2's, 3's, or 4's can lean me more towards calling as the counterfeiting makes my hand better - still losing to flopped sets which are now boats (discounting higher over pairs from the action description - but do know that UTG was actually holding a very unorthodox KK).

7) Even turning or rivering a set of J's (that doesn't complete the flush) without boating leaves me to c/c but more confident to do so, even if I am in the over call position. A set would be strong enough to c/c a lot of value sized bets, but not sure it's strong enough to call river raise or raise-AI and don't want to be blown off hand with better than average showdown value.

8) As played, I think I would've folded because even if I am ahead, with two cards to come, I don't know that I will finish in first place and considering chip stack depth I think it might be about a coin-flip at best when I am ahead on this type of flop.

raise bigger pre

Every time I call this they have me beat, and every time I fold they show me something like A9, just to "show you that I had you beat".

So, meh, I fold in a vaccuum.

Love this.

In my room, $1/$2, it's infested with KK/QQ limpers, especially the older players. They don't want to see an ace/overcard on the flop. Agree with the majority on folding. Especially early in sesh., not looking to stack off with JJ. A lot of them are sitting there for the high hand promos, etc. Pretty easy to spot them....any check raise, gonzo...

I fold here and sizing makes it pretty easy IMO.

I know you want good analysis, but it's 1/2. They could have anything from an oddly slow played premium to 57,68,89,69,710 and more sensible things like sets. UTG probably has a stronger straightforward hand as his pot odds to call are lower.

It's your money, but it's a fold to me. Espeically at that level. If someone wants to do a great bluff into that good on them.