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Facing an overbet versus a crazy drunk Norwegian Facing an overbet versus a crazy drunk Norwegian

03-29-2018 , 07:40 AM
Hi guys,

I sit down on a 1-2 nlh table where definitely is some action going on.
A guy seems to be incredibly drunk/active, sitting with 1.5k.
He opens/3bets 4 hands in a row or so and they don't go to showdown.

In the 4th hand he opens the cutoff to 10 euro, the button calls and I'm looking at KQss in the bb. I decide to raise it big for value as i think he's going too play back with a very wide range. I opt for a raise to 50 euro, and the guy calls in the cutoff while the bb gets out of the way.

The board comes QJ8xcc and I decide to bet 55 euro, villain calls.
The turns comes a 7x and I decide to bet 110 euro, villain calls.
The river falls down a 9c and I check, villain jams for +- 700 euro effective in a 360 euro pot. I decide to fold and Villain shows Kc7x

A few hand later Villain missisipis for 5 euro on the button (blind), we're 4 handed and the sb gets out of the way. I look down at 88xh and decide to raise it up too 25 euro, Villain calls.

The flop falls down 1072hhh, I think that Villain is going to do a lot of crazy stuff so I decide to check. He bets 35 euro and I call. The turn is a Kx, I check again and he bets 100 euro I call. The river is a 7x, I check again and Villain bets 500 euro in 320. What do we do?
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03-29-2018 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlackWidow
Hi guys,

I sit down on a 1-2 nlh table where definitely is some action going on.
A guy seems to be incredibly drunk/active, sitting with 1.5k.
He opens/3bets 4 hands in a row or so and they don't go to showdown.

In the 4th hand he opens the cutoff to 10 euro, the button calls and I'm looking at KQss in the bb. I decide to raise it big for value as i think he's going too play back with a very wide range. I opt for a raise to 50 euro, and the guy calls in the cutoff while the bb gets out of the way.

The board comes QJ8xcc and I decide to bet 55 euro, villain calls.
The turns comes a 7x and I decide to bet 110 euro, villain calls.
The river falls down a 9c and I check, villain jams for +- 700 euro effective in a 360 euro pot. I decide to fold and Villain shows Kc7x

A few hand later Villain missisipis for 5 euro on the button (blind), we're 4 handed and the sb gets out of the way. I look down at 88xh and decide to raise it up too 25 euro, Villain calls.

The flop falls down 1072hhh, I think that Villain is going to do a lot of crazy stuff so I decide to check. He bets 35 euro and I call. The turn is a Kx, I check again and he bets 100 euro I call. The river is a 7x, I check again and Villain bets 500 euro in 320. What do we do?
EZ. We fold again and wait until we have an actual value hand that this drunk payoff wizard will bet for us.
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03-29-2018 , 11:43 AM
One good pot against this Villain will make your day.

If you have any chips left when it happens.
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03-29-2018 , 12:36 PM
Hello fellow Grinders,

I think that given the kind of opponent we're facing, there's no need to go for a very deep analysis of ranges and Minimum Defence Frequency.

For the hand number 1, the river is not that superb for us since it completes the flush any 10 has made a straight, but I think in our spot we have many hands that want to check call river for example :
Sets : QQ,JJ, ( eventhough they can go for 3 streets of value sometimes)
Straights : ATs
2pairs : QJs
Overpairs : AA,KK
Top Pairs : AQs ; KQs.
Now it's true that KQs is in the bottom of our range in this spot, but given the profile we are facing I think it's a sigh exploitative call. Whereas against a thinking opponent it is a fold.
As for the hand number 2, this is probably a turn fold since we have many other hands we can call with :
AA;KK;QhQx;JhJx;TT;
AhKx;AhQx;AhJx;AxKh;AxQh;KhQx;KhJx;
In addition to all our made flushes.
So when we come to river it's a clear cut fold.

That's it for this episode guys see you next time on another episode of Poker Hands (Doug Polk's way )

I hope my analysis was of some help to you and I'm ready for any of your critics or opinions
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03-30-2018 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
EZ. We fold again and wait until we have an actual value hand that this drunk payoff wizard will bet for us.
Yeah pretty much. It's tempting to try to call in these marginal spots (especially after he shows the bluff in hand 1), but they aren't great spots. Assuming you have the bankroll to hang the swings of this game, then stick around as long as this guy has some chips left. He's going to spew off his chips to someone eventually, and you're probably going to see some huge pots won with some pretty garbage hands. It's important to not go rolling in the mud with them. While you do need to open up your call down range some, you don't want to start playing the kinds of trash hands that this guy and the others at the table probably will. It will suck if you don't get your turn against him before his money is gone, but it's better than the alternative which is paying him off in one of these spots and then watching him spew off those chips to another good player at the table the very next hand.
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03-30-2018 , 08:55 AM
I think folding both spots is ok. Versus these types of V's I'd rather wait for spots where I know my hand has a high chance of winning. Play pot control and take more defensive lines when you're OOP against a maniac who will put pressure on you. The risk of giving free cards is worth not having to put all your money in on scary boards with one pair.
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03-30-2018 , 08:09 PM
The fold in the first hand is okay if you didn’t know the guy was an absolute maniac.

Please don’t fold the second hand after he showed you what he’s capable of. I normally am against closing your eyes and praying, but this guy has shown he has no concept of poker at all and that’s just what you need to do.
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04-01-2018 , 05:23 AM
Call 500 to win 820 against this player? I’d probably call.
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04-01-2018 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
The fold in the first hand is okay if you didn’t know the guy was an absolute maniac.

Please don’t fold the second hand after he showed you what he’s capable of. I normally am against closing your eyes and praying, but this guy has shown he has no concept of poker at all and that’s just what you need to do.
Even if he's a maniac in H1 there are so few hands you beat that he can possibly have

Unless he routinely floats three streets with 5 high or something

I'd call down h2 though.

Curious, did you see which if any hands V took this sort of line for value? It makes a huge difference if taking H2 as an example V will only overbet river with at least a flush (In which case we love to hero call a lot.) Meanwhile it's pretty gross if he bombs with as weak as Kx.
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04-01-2018 , 07:06 AM
For hand 1, ship it on flop vs. a maniac (not normal players)

For hand 2, fold turn
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04-01-2018 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mzed95
Hello fellow Grinders,

I think that given the kind of opponent we're facing, there's no need to go for a very deep analysis of ranges and Minimum Defence Frequency.

For the hand number 1, the river is not that superb for us since it completes the flush any 10 has made a straight, but I think in our spot we have many hands that want to check call river for example :
Sets : QQ,JJ, ( eventhough they can go for 3 streets of value sometimes)
Straights : ATs
2pairs : QJs
Overpairs : AA,KK
Top Pairs : AQs ; KQs.
Now it's true that KQs is in the bottom of our range in this spot, but given the profile we are facing I think it's a sigh exploitative call. Whereas against a thinking opponent it is a fold.
As for the hand number 2, this is probably a turn fold since we have many other hands we can call with :
AA;KK;QhQx;JhJx;TT;
AhKx;AhQx;AhJx;AxKh;AxQh;KhQx;KhJx;
In addition to all our made flushes.
So when we come to river it's a clear cut fold.

That's it for this episode guys see you next time on another episode of Poker Hands (Doug Polk's way )

I hope my analysis was of some help to you and I'm ready for any of your critics or opinions
Agreed. We can be very exploitative against this guy.
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