5/5 NL [900 effective]
Just table changed

I open up with KK UTG1 to 25
UTG2 calls, CO calls, drunk guy in SB jams 100

***I really want to keep UTG+2 (who is deep and splashy) in the hand and decide on a flat

Should I always be 4betting in this spot to avoid a 4 way pot? I would agree that you should 4bet with TT-QQ but do you agree with this play with KK+ to stay balanced and prevent letting worse pp's off the hook for cheap?


both players call. 4 ways to flop
Flop Q98 ($400)
I lead for 200 and UTG2 jams. Hero??

I probably would've 4bet considering there's a strong chance that flatting would enticed the 2 other players to get in the hand and im neber thrilled about the prospect of going 4 ways to a flop with KK. If only 1, instead of 2, players had called your 25 open I probably would have just flatted. That's my .02

[QUOTE=HomelessPizza;53519289]5/5 NL [900 effective]
Just table changed

I open up with KK UTG1 to 25
UTG2 calls, CO calls, drunk guy in SB jams 100

***I really want to keep UTG in the hand and decide on a flat

Should I always be 4betting in this spot to avoid a 4 way pot? I would agree that you should 4bet with TT-QQ but do you agree with this play with KK+ to stay balanced and prevent letting worse pp's off the hook for cheap?


both players call. 4 ways to flop
Flop Q98 ($400)
I lead for 200 and UTG2 jams 800 Hero

I assume you mean UTG+2 or is there some action on UTG you've not mentioned.

I think this might be OK if we just had UTG+2 in, but both of them have position on you, and if UTG+2 comes along, CO will probably come along, and now we're 3 way OOP. Perhaps you're really good postflop, but I struggle 3 way OOP against 2 good players, so I probably repop this pre, and if I just go heads up against drunk guy that's fine. BTW - they might see it as an iso steal against drunk guy and call it lighter than they normally would, in which case post is easier - we just jam most flops that don't have an ace.

Iso shove. Don’t be greedy.

Correct, I really wanted to Iso deep stacked and splashy UTG2 but i realized that doing so would probably let in the cutoff... I think 4betting OOP screams monster and will fold out potential hands I can get value from.

Yes, usually, but I was in a game about a year ago in MGM at 11pm on a Saturday, and some drunk frat boy sat down, and when the OMC isoed him for the third time in an orbit, I literally burst out laughing, because it was so obvious. Rest of table chuckled but OMC was not amused.

And yes you have a monster, but it's not easy to play deep OOP multiway against competent players

We're not deep. SPR on the flop will only be 2-3. It's not hard to play when our strategy is basically just to felt our hand on good flops/turns. This is a good spot to flat a polarized range pre.

This forum has a real strange relationship with this concept.

OP, please don't post results in the future, as it biases responses. I edited them out. I also fixed who you wanted to keep in and why.

As for pre, I actually think a re-raise might look more like a vulnerable had trying to iso the drunk guy. A flat looks like a monster even more than a shove here, imo, though either one is going to look strong to anyone competent.

AP, obvious flop call is obvious.

4! pre.

My thoughts exactly....I don't think its tough to play KK+ even multiway with small SPR's.

But it just brings up an interesting point of how to play this spot when we are even deeper stacked (2k+). I'm fairly confident I am way ahead of drunk guy (who was making some awful call-downs) so isn't flatting a more +EV move to go at least heads up and post-flop battle with an inferior player holding an inferior hand?

No. If we were a lot deeper, we'd want to set up a side pot right now, as well as setting up a favorable SPR. I go $400-500 in that case.

I do not want to see the flop four ways; three ways, maybe; heads up, yes. There is $175 in the pot in a 5/5 game, just 4bet pre.

As played, I'm not thrilled with this flop at all, but if he's splashy, just call it off.

Grunch

I flat the jam pre with AA/KK typically, raising with KK is never going to be a bad play though. Just depends how risk adverse you are

AP OTF, this is a board you need to check.

AP after the jam: It's 600 to win 2k, you only need 30%, I think you need to call given description of V