Preflop descriptions:

Hero: Straightforward tight-aggressive player.

Villain: New player at table, this is his third hand. Has not seen Hero play a hand yet. Villain has been wanting seat at this table for hours. During this time, Villain has done well at a lower stakes table. Seems to be very solid and tricky player.

$2/5 NL Ebro Greyhound Track

SB
BB
UTG
UTG 1 Villain ($1000)
MP
MP 2 Hero ($1300)
LP 1
LP 2
Button

Hero is dealt AK
UTG limps, UTG 1 Villain limps, MP folds, MP 2 Hero raises to $25, LP 1 and LP 2 fold, Button calls, UTG calls, UTG 1 Villain calls.

Flop ($100): KJ4

Fishy UTG bets out $30, Villain calls, Hero raises to $110, UTG folds, Villain reraises to $285, Hero calls.

Turn ($670): 6

Villain instantly jams all in for $690. Hero tables hand as he is thinking, and Villain starts ranting about how Hero is going to fold and should just fold because he is drawing dead. Hero?

Without more reads I'm just folding. Villain's overbet shove is a bit suspicious, and there's not much that beats us, but I can't give a villain credit for pulling this move with a draw without more specific reads. People just don't tend to pull off huge bluffs like this.

Why did we raise the flop? Why did we raise the flop and then call the reraise? Did we have a plan for what to do OTF after we raised?

You need to know the answers to these questions before you raised the flop, otherwise you are just clicking buttons.

The best reason to flat the reraise OTF is to allow V to continue his aggression OTT. If he ever has OESD, OESFD, NFD in his range (as well as all sets and 2 pairs), we have more than enough equity OTT to call (getting approximately 2-1), but you really need to think about this stuff before you make the flop raise.

as played snap this off. why did you call his flop 3bet in the first place if you are going to fold to a blank turn?

i don´t like how you played this hand otf, but you played it in a way to stack off. calling his 3bet and folding for a PSB against his shove (which was coming in all likelyhood on all turns) on a blank turn seems to be one of the worst ways to play this hand.


my default would be to call his donkbet otf.

btw, you only saw 3 hands from villain. how could you have these reads? for me, it seems that most likely a guy who grinded it out at lower stakes the last hours is usually not jamming in his whole stack on the forth hand of the bigger table with a draw, which makes flop a pretty clear fold vs his 3bet.

but as played, snap him off.

I mean, if I think I can call the flop 3 bet, I doubt I'm folding that blank of a turn, but I really don't love the line.

I don't think I'd raise the flop.

Fold to 3-bet on flop, imo. Smooth call, then re-raise is a huge hand a lot of the time, from my experience in these games.


As played, fold.

I agree with the above...the only better hand on the flop that makes sense from a solid player is 44.

Of course, if he's not really a TAG then the decision becomes more difficult.

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Are you guys serious about flatting a tiny bet 4 way on a super wet board with TPTK? Seems massively results oriented to me.

I'd fold to the 3bet though. Really, people rarely have these moves in them, especially on a board that smashes your range.

Fold the flop bet. What was the point of raising the flop? Value? Iso? Read? Do you have any idea where you are?

All of this. The decision is otf not ott. Having gotten to the turn you can't fold. But I would have folded the flop. Is call/raise ever a bluff?

fold to the flop reraise AINEMFC.

you showed strength pre and then you showed strength on the flop. unless he thinks you're FOS and is just some funky playmaster, you're beat here.

So either folding to reraise on the flop or calling the turn seems to be the consensus. I do agree. It turns out that villain had A5 for air on the flop. He turned a flush draw and decided it was a good time to semibluff, even though I showed much strength and he had no reads on me yet. I folded the turn and regretted it immediately afterwards, even before seeing his hand. Oh well. Live and learn.

The results confirm that your initial read on this player, based on seemingly limited information, was way off. Or was the read you presented actually based on the results of this hand?

Solid and tricky player? Doesn't the results of the hand confirm this?

Why raise the flop to $110? and why call his $265 re-raise on the flop without a plan for the turn?
You willingly participate in building a big pot with a small hand (TPTK) and have no idea what to do on the turn. You should anticipate an AI turn bet and judge for yourself how to play the flop even before you raise for $110.

On the flop you have at least 10 hands combos ahead of you that will beat you from that point on. What you have is a trouble hand to lose all your stack. If you would have a short stack, that would be OK, but the big stack behind is a liability in this situation when you flop one pair. If you try to build a big pot on the flop with TPTK you enter into the -EV territory if the effective stacks are deep.

AK

raise on that wet of a board on flop is correct. Flatting would be bad imo. Fold to reraise though.. Screams strength especially with no reads.

Can't fold this. What hands is he really repping? Young agro doesn't open limp KK, JJ. He probably opens KJ as well plus you have a K so it has to be discounted, really he has all the draws and exactly 44 for value.(but he probably opens 44 at least some % of the time to)

This seems like a trivial call. I don't mind how you played the flop if this was along the lines of your thinking, that their both super draw heavy and likely to continue/stack off w/ said draw.

Fold your hand on the flop

Dudes grinding lower stakes waiting for a seat on your juicy 2/5...no way he is stacking off first hand. He has kj or jj or bottom set otf... You can pray he has combo draw.. But hat kinda +ev is that

Why do you assume that either he was "grinding" at the lower table or that he would be afraid of stacking off? The OP simply said he was waiting for a seat at this table and played lower stakes until a seat opened up. That doesn't make him Joey Knish.

Yep, especially when that smooth call comes between the flop donker and the pfr. Easy fold on the flop once villain 3bets.

Well sort of. I'm sure we all see people with draws and relatively short stacks call a flop donk and then when it gets raised behind them they basically say **** it and shove the rest in, but that is obv a TOTALLY DIFFERENT dynamic from this hand. When somebody deep makes this move it's best to assume he HAS IT until we have evidence suggesting otherwise imo.