Hero: AQ. $700 effective. Playing TAG, but somewhat aggressive preflop, followed up by c-bets. One hand with main V: Raised pre with low suited. Bet Kxx flop (straight + flush draw for me). Turn blank. Went all in (pot bet). He tanks and calls with KQ despite putting me on AK.

main V: LAG. Not awful, but not good. Calls to much pre and on flop. VPIP fairly high.

V2: Very good aggro pro.

Hero raises UTG to $20 (7 handed). Main V calls in MP and V2 calls on button.

Flop ($60): J92. Hero bets $40. Both V's call.
Turn ($180): A. Hero checks. Main V bets $90. V2 fold. Hero calls. (should I be betting this turn?).
River ($360): 10. Hero checks. V bets $235. Hero?

TAG =/= opening low suited connectors & starting stacks would be nice but OTH...

Flop: Check. They know we fire w/out connecting. We're OOP multi-way... lets not spew.

Turn: I'd likely lead to deny draws any equity.

River: If we're making our hand look weaker than it is, we have to call here. Probably behind many times, but not enough to warrant folding needing 28% equity to break even.

You must of stopped reading after TAG, but somewhat aggressive preflop. Key word too here is, "somewhat".

Updated for stack size, sorry.

I don't get what point you're trying to get across with your preflop description.
Does somewhat aggressive preflop mean you have somewhat loose opening [LAG] requirements pre? Because TAG is tight aggressive.

I read the whole post as I want others to do the same for me. I also didn't intend to sound mean spirited with the tag remark. I made it focusing on the T in TAG, not the AG; the tight, not the aggressive as that describes your range and how low SC relate to it. Tight defines range. Aggressive defines frequency of betting. Opening low suited connectors is loose, not tight. Understanding your image helps you at the table, and helps others provide meaningful feedback.

I was not loose pre-flop in the sense of calling wide. I was really only raising top 10% adjusted +/- for position and mixed in some low suited connectors. So I was "somewhat" aggressive or loose or whatever words you would like to choose to describe the fact that I balanced my top 10% with an occasional low suited raise. That is all. Besides c-bets, which TAGs do all the time, I didn't get saucy often. Minus, the only hand in 3 hours against main V, which I got aggressive with very good equity, which I described above. But, I was rarely 2 or 3 barreling or check/raise bluffing.

This above description, I conclude, is not descriptive of a LAG but rather closer to a TAG. Poker is so dynamic that describing players as LAG or TAG can get fuzzy, I get it.

I'd check the flop because the chance of getting two folds here seems slim. On like J42 I'd be fine with firing.

Lead turn, checking through would be annoying.

River is gross, but I call because I'm at the top of my range given the turn check/call. My hand looks like KK or something so villain may even be value betting worse, plus he can have various bluffs.

check flop unless your read is Villain floats flop a lot but folds to turn aggression.

flop wet and BTN just called preflop, dude is very wide.

turn as played, i dont mind the check here,we have good SDV but our hand pretty vulnerable, lets pot control.

river is a toss up but i think its a fold. Villain turn bet, 1/2 PSB with a lot of draws is so much value, what hands do you fold getting 4:1 on turn on this board? Non.

Problem with the idea of pot controlling the turn is that you cant. You dont close the action so villains will get bets in with their good hands regardless. If you bet and get raised its not a big deal because your equity is going to be very slim against their raising range. If you check it's to induce bluffs which, meh. We can see in this hand how even when we may have induced a bluff were not really thrilled about it. Just going for value is a lot more straightforward and we may be able to look for small value OTR hoping they have AXss

I see what you are saying.I guess i assumed Villain wouldnt bet big but you are right, Villain could bet anything here and really could bloat the pot up putting us in a bad spot.

I see why leading here is better for pot control. Thinking about it, i think i was misapplying that term. I used to think pot control meant to keep the pot small only, not meaning we are in control of the action of the pot.

Im somewhat embarrassed haha but **** it. Thanks for the reply man.

Good analysis, thanks. Agree should've bet turn and should've called river.

Flop I'd check as discussed.

Turn I'd bet probably half pot and fold to a raise probably.

River I'd probably fold in a vacuum, KQ, AJ, A9 get there, maybe some slowplayed flop stuff once and again, the way the board is spread out there arent that many unpaired flush draws, Axss turns TP, QT pairs up OTR (admittedly this doesnt mean he'll always take his SD value).

Based on this I'd fold; seeing the spoiler kinda reinforces this in that he needs a hand like that to be bluffing. In future with that guy goes without saying raise larger pre

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Grunching:

Pre - fine, but with and aggro on button and one or more LAG's in late, are you not likely to get raised if you just limp? I know it sounds fishy, but can limping accomplish the same thing and sabotage their hand reading later in hand?

Flop - Don't c-bet here. You are OOP vs. two aggressive V's, one of them very good. You don't rep much. Flop smacks their ranges much harder than yours.

Turn - fine.

River - Ugly spot with an underrepped hand. I don't think you should have ever gotten here. Not too worried about KQ, but 10-9, J-10, J9, AJ, A9, and sets definitely are a big part of V's range. Not much in way of wiffed draws. KJ and QJ probably just want cheap SD at this point. I don't know what else he's hanging around to bluff with except maybe Q10 and 9-8. I'd just fold.

Probably a cry call on river given our (silly) line, villains turn sizing is extremely sketchy for the texture. Not cbetting this turn after betting the flop is lighting money on fire. I don't think we should bet the flop.

How often do you raise UTG with suited connectors? Only low suited or do you raise with medium suited?

Depending on how often you cbet, I have no issue with the flop play. The idea is to build a consistent story of raising with premium hands from UTG (TAG), which should always bet in this spot on the flop. If you get a caller or two and blank the turn, its easy to c/f. Checking the flop and then leading action on any street, puts your hand face-up.

If I lead the flop and hit an A on the turn, I am leading out again!! Maybe I will check with the intent to c/r but that's the only reason. This board is a little too draw heavy to slow play. Most LAGs are raising the flop with a combo draw, including Axss. You should be ahead of most of his range on the turn.

Its not the best river card and certainly hits a little more of his range. It is certainly a tricky situation. You need to be able to read his hand well to call here consistently.

I think the best line would be bet turn and c/c river...against this particular opponent.