I only said Dwan because that is the only example that anyone can see of an online pro severely pwning live players. Don't take it too literally. My main point was that Kyuubimon's comment was ridiculous, and that there are easily more online players that have a better grasp of the game and can adjust to live play way better than live players can adjust to online play.

Nice to meet you to. Tell me, do you look and act like the yutzes I've met and described? Do you prattle on and on, trying to convince me that you're so much smarter than anyone else at the table with your usage of all the latest buzz-words while your buy-in melts away, or do you let your game do all the talkin'? Do you stack 'em or do you stack off?

If you don't think I'm talking about you, then I'm not.
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"Kyuubimon, let's be honest here. You've only played a couple of online players who happened to talk too much and were not that good. I promise you, that I know of and could easily find many, many online players that would wipe the floor with you and your best live player friends".

Pilotender, it's more than "a couple" where I play: they're all over the place. Those "many, many online players" aren't here. I also can't explain the phenomenon of someone who's solid in theory, who knows the right things to do, but who won't do them.

I'm sure you could find players better than I, regardless of whether they ever played on-line or off. I'm not interested in getting into penis waving contests during any game. The kinds of players who could do that are the kinds of players in whose way I stay out of unless it's unavoidable, then I play 'em with great care to make sure they don't get the chance to wipe the floor with me. Ego and poker do not mix. I'm not too proud to get a table change if the competition's too tough. Or too proud to believe I can't learn something from them if I don't change tables.
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Dragon Ash: ignore list. I refuse to play silly Interwebs games of "gotcha" with you or anyone else.

Bad players like to talk a lot regardless of whether they have a live background or an online background. This is nothing new. What is interesting is how this table talk puts you on life tilt.

I do the same: never assume without evidence. That's why I dislike getting the really good hands within the first few orbits. I'd rather run card dead for the first three or four while I observe how the opposition is playing. I'm not assuming here, I'm reporting observations of players I've seen at my particular venue. If anyone assumes I'm doing otherwise, then they have a reading comprehension problem.

As for the phenomenon itself, I find it rather interesting that there are so many who seem to believe fashion accessories have anything to do with the quality of their game play. As for playing with blinders on (hoodies) while deafening themselves (iPods) to the conversations going on around them, I'm all for it. The less observant and the more distracted the opposition, the better for the bottom line.

If you are so against hoodies, what do you utilize to combat the air conditioning vents?

Its easy to stay warm when your steaming mad at all the young internet twerps at your table. lol

A part of me thinks he is leveling us. I am confused though, since when did 50 year olds know how to use computers?

All jokes aside, this thread has been great. I went through a whole range of emotions. Laughed, cried, got mad and happy. ty

+1 Standard live rules dictate that when anyone over 40 overshoves river and you have less then the effective nuts you should fold every time unless you have some sort of history, tell, or other relevant information. Easy fold.

I'm in total agreement here

I used to play online, now I play live, and I have to 100% agree with him.

I totally believe that in general $25 or $50nl online was WAYYYYY harder and had more skilled players than 2/5 live. I get that.

But when I see a guy sit down with sunglasses, a hoodie and big headphones I assume he's going to be horrid and probably aggro and I'm usually right.

The guys that scare me are younger guys who look normal, don't drink, are quiet and never talk about poker strategy.

It's not that live players are better than online players. I think live players in general are definitely much worse. But a lot of the online players who come to play live at this point probably never won online. And some that did never bothered to adjust to how live poker plays and don't do as well as they could.

I've been posting responses as I've read through this thread, and finally someone mentions probably the most important piece of information in making this decision. We are putting in 450 dollars on the river into a pot that was previously only 190. In order for this call to be correct, we must be very confident that we have the best hand here the vast majority of the time if we ever expect to beat 1/2nl.

What does this have to do with this thread?