Hi guys played an interesting hand today at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I played this hand.

Starting stack:

Hero: $800
Villain: $700

4 players limp including Villain in MP1. Hero opens for $35 in the CO holding K Q. It is folded around to Villain and MP2 who call.

The flop comes: 5 4 5 $122 in pot

It is checked around to Hero who bets $60. Villain calls and MP2 folds.

The turn brings a Q $222 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $100. Villain calls.

The river brings an 8 $422 in pot

Villain leads out for $155. Hero???

Villain is very loose. He limps a ton and limp calls any player's raise with very wide range holdings. He is an action seeker and is involved in most pots. He chases draws even when not priced in to do so. He has lead before when the flush got completed on the river and showed down a flush every time so I am almost certain villain completed his flush on the river here. The only concern here is there is a percentage of time villain will have the nut flush draw but most of the time he will have a low flush so would you raise villain and stack off here comfortably with the second nut flush. There is also a small percentage of time when villain will have a full house as well. Calling here is a no brainer but my concern would be stacking off here with the second nut flush.

Thanks for the feedback guys!

$50 pre. We're playing against a very loose guy and there are 4 limps, I want to raise and get this heads up or take it down pre especially with just king high. Half pot on flop is great and so is turn once you pair up (since you want to keep in worse FDs and you crush the nut FD with one card to come).

Villain has $350 or so left after his river bet. Let's assume he's never folding any flush to a shove here. I think this is a pretty clear value shove on river. A2ss, A3ss, A6ss, A7ss, A9ss, ATss, AJss, 76ss are the only flushes that beat you. That's 8 combos. Throw in a few combos of boats (1 combo of 55, 6 of 54, 3 of 44, 3 of 88 but discount a lot of them cause he's not always playing all of that like that esp since his small bet sizing on river looks more like a small flush). There are lots of combos of flushes you beat if he's super loose especially since your turn bet gave him over 3:1. 32ss, 63ss, 62ss, 73ss, 9Tss, T7ss, T6ss, J9ss, JTss, J7ss, J6ss. That's 11 combos you beat.

Upon further analysis, after analyzing the math, it's actually a lot closer and probably close to neutral since we have to throw in some combos of flushes. So you beat roughly 50% of his value range. Call or shove is fine and nearly the same in +EV.

Isn't 67 possible too? Super easy shove given villain description. You obviously beat his betting range. To make a shove possible you have to beat his calling range. Does he ever fold a flush? I shove and feel real good about it.

Wow thanks for the thorough analysis much appreciated kind sir!

This spot is the definition of villian dependent, and it's really close. I prob just call here against most villains tbh, but I can def see the argument for shoving against this specific villian. Is villian ever folding worse flushes to a shove? We have the KQss, so we have the 2nd nut flush AND we block the 3rd nut flush with our Qs. He's always calling with better hands obv, just wondering if he is decent enough to bet fold this stack size with any part of his value range. Calling here and showing down reduces variance, allows you to see villains limp/calling range pre, allows you to see villains value betting range on sticky boards at this stack depth, and also allows you to muck your hand without showing if he has you beat, and gives you a nittier image if you do get to show down the best hand 😉.

I like a bigger bet on the turn....somewhere around $140. V is known to chase draws without getting a good price. Might as well charge him the max. Plus, it will leave about a PSB left on the river making it easier to play for stacks if you choose.

With a $140 turn bet, there'd $500 in the pot with $465 behind going to the river (as opposed to $420 in the pot with $500 behind as played). If V leads the river, it makes shoving a lot easier.