This is, of course, why you play the hand like this.

This is terrible. You want to raise pre, bet flop, and c/r turn to see where ur at?? If u c/r turn you are committed my friend

Its not that you can differentiate btw value bet and bluff that easily. One of the plays gr8 players use is make overbets look like bluffs. Unless u hold nuts, u rather not be in that spot. He drew to the river on his terms and then made u play on his terms to see the showdown.

I disagree, OP checked so V would bet, he did, those were OP's terms.

It's an interesting thought as to who's terms we were playing on.

I do admit that i relinquished an element of control, however as stated above it was ultimately on my terms - I wanted the bets, and that's what I got.

It's a tricky line, and some really interesting debate here. It's absolutely crucial to bear in mind that this play is extremely villain specific, and cannot be used against passive or nitty players.

You checked to induce potential bluffs/floats. Now you got it. Call.

GRUNCH

I'm going to answer your question first, then offer some thoughts: As long as you called the river, your line is fine. Your plan was to induce a habitual barreler by checking the turn and you got what you wanted. Now fulfill your well contrived plan by making him showdown. Just be prepared to occasionally lose the pot. Sometimes he will make a better hand, but that doesnt mean your plan was flawed. Now, if this spot occurs against this V several more times and you are always losing to him, then your plan needs to be rethought.

Pre is standard, flop is also fine (some may advocate a larger flop bet as per the flush draw, but with a paired board those draws are getting way worse implied odds, so a smaller bet is totally fine).

The turn is clearly a b/f or c/c, depending on your V. You have identified his tendencies and chosen one of those options.

River is a call.

Wp OP

Naturally, I called. I felt like I had played my line where he could bluff me, or, try to get me to call and value bet with a weaker K (a very fine line here as pointed out by Bob though, something which i need to study more carefully).

[SPOIL] I had to call. Villain turned over KQss. This is why I thought this hand was so interesting - the only hand that KQ would have improved against on the river was AK, which would have been very hard for him to put me on considering my line. Therefore, I feel even if the Q didn't come on the river he would still make that same bet, and my line would have worked perfectly. I think so anyway. That's why I posted this hand. would he still make that river bet if the queen didn't come? He can't have known that that's what put him ahead of me. Hence my wondering as to whether this was the right line. [SPOIL]

^ I doubt V is going $20 on the flop, $35 on the turn and $130 on the river with his busted draws or a naked K. The river bet sizing was kind of a tell (although maybe I'm being biased by the results). If the river was a blank, I think V either checks back his hand or bets small like $40-50.

Personally, I just haven't witnessed enough V's turning busted draws and hands with showdown value into river bluffs like this often enough to make me consider taking your line.

I chalk this up to FPS.

IMO this line in 1/2 is bad.
When v checks behind river with a bad K he will be owning you and he wont even know it. Just bet/bet/bet.

Because of your small flop bet & ck on the turn, I have no way of putting V on a hand. He could think you're betting 88 trying to find out if V has 99+. UTG, I bet a baker's dozen [13] whether I have AQs or TT. Unless, $13 gets multi-way pots also, then it's higher for unsuited AK & pairs. Maybe that's not so good.

Anywho, I find the $20 flop bet weak. It's what I call a probing bet, but you have TPTK.
Unfortunately, your stack isn't deep enough to make a leveraged bet on the turn. Still, I'd bet $75 [leaving me with $93 assuming we bet $20 otf]

Now, V understands we are committed to our hand - he should understand we are not bluffing - if he raises he has to wonder if we are really going to fold to a $225 pot when we only have ~$93 left. So, a raise should be [always player dependent] an indication we are beat.
Only 77 and a hand with a 5 has us beat, other than AA or KK.

There's an axiom that states "OOP, you win less money with your premium hands & lose more money with your weaker hands, than you do IP."

I have accepted that fact & in a vacuum, don't slowplay TPTK OOP.

V bets draws, floats & has 2 max rebuys under his belt. No need to slowplay that I can find.

If somebody pushes you all in on river.....think 10 times
.You just have one pair.He may have have two pairs or trips or slowplayed hiS set.
There are all kind of players in live 1/2 games....with KQ
He is not going any where.But he will not shove on river if Q does not show up

QUOTE=Beady_Bear;46288793]Naturally, I called. I felt like I had played my line where he could bluff me, or, try to get me to call and value bet with a weaker K (a very fine line here as pointed out by Bob though, something which i need to study more carefully).

[SPOIL] I had to call. Villain turned over KQss. This is why I thought this hand was so interesting - the only hand that KQ would have improved against on the river was AK, which would have been very hard for him to put me on considering my line. Therefore, I feel even if the Q didn't come on the river he would still make that same bet, and my line would have worked perfectly. I think so anyway. That's why I posted this hand. would he still make that river bet if the queen didn't come? He can't have known that that's what put him ahead of me. Hence my wondering as to whether this was the right line. [SPOIL][/QUOTE]

The thing is, does villain not push anyway if Q doesn't hit river? That Q ONLY improves his relative hand strength against AK??