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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
So you're basically saying against an unknown, it's better to call a raise with K2o than it is with QJs since king high beats queen high?
We were of course speaking of limped pots. But for arguments sake, no. K2o has a high card and that's it, QJs has high card, suited and connected. Apples to oranges.
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
high card value means the ability to make top pair with either card.
Not at all, and not trolling. According to Sklansky, high card value is stronger if you can make top pair with either card, but a hand with a single high card still has some high card value. Of course you prefer both cards to have the ability to make top pair,
but we were comparing 2 specific hands, Q2s and 64s. Which has the higher card value? I won't ask which hand is better, because we all know the answer to that one.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBowling
My understanding is that Q4s would be better in a HU pot or 3-way pot, but if you are multi-way, then playing for the nuts is more important, so 64s would have more utility because you are drawing to straights/flushes vs having the Q high card/flushes that wouldn't be that great flopping a Q.
Well, as Vernon said, your OP really needs to be framed better. The reason 64s might be better in a multiway pot is that with more players in the pot, you are more likely to have a player who has made a hand he is willing to felt with (note that I would be much happier with the Q high flush, btw, so flush value probably goes down multiway).
My main point, that I obviously failed to get across (sarcasm, ftw), is that I'm not a big fan of limping EITHER 64s or Q2s OTB for their value alone. If you are playing FnF, 64s is fine, if you are playing guys that will limp ATC, then Q2s is fine (as is Q2o, for that matter), if you are playing the opponent, ATC is fine. It all depends.