Villain is this hand is new to the game. Started with 700. Seems talkative and from the word selection, not particularly bright.

I’ve already overbet jammed the nuts twice this session and each time I’ve been called by one pair each time.

Effective stacks 700

Random limp, villain limp, sb completes i check Td6d bb

(20) Js8d5s

Checks around

(20) 9d

I bet 20. Both limpers call

(80) 2d

I bet 120. First limper folds. Villain tanks awhile before announcing “all in”...


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Puke/fold. Even if he doesn't get the pattern, he should only be shoving flushes here, and you have one of the worst avialable. He only has five combos of worse flushes, even if we give him all SCs down to 32s and all suited gappers pre. And he most likely just calls with most of those. He likely has at best two combos of worse flushes. Meanwhile he has basically all combos of AdXd and KdXd, and several QdXd and JdXd combos.

Described V is basically never bluf shoving AdXo here, imo.

Bet sizing is no bueno. You use overbets when you have range advantage - not in limped pots.

For sure. This bet size is clearly terrible from a GTO POV. I’m trying to exploit the fact that these guys seem inelastic in their calls and aren’t paying attention to the pot size much. IOW I wouldn’t do this if somehow a guy like you ended up playing a hand this way.


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Ya and the raise is so big. I’m not even sure I need to call off the Q hi flush.


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Don't go broke in a limped pot without the nuts. Also don't know what you expect to get called by on the river in a limped pot when you bet 1.5x pot on a 4-flush board when the best flush worse than yours that can call is some random 7dX hand that seems unlikely in the first place.

3 flush board. Did I typo in the OP?

With the way this game has been playing, I expect that He will have hands like QT/T7 in his range and make tricky slowplay, turned two pairs, sets. I’ve seen people paying off big bets with even a hand like A9 here.

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Thought I saw 4 diamonds on board, don't mind me....even so, when you 1.5x pot and get raised, they just have it way too often. Either way, it's a limped pot so people's calling ranges facing large bets is going to be a lot slimmer. The last time I overbet a flush board and got raised and they didn't have the nuts was...well...basically never.

You said you overbet with the nuts twice and got called, so you haven't shown any overbet bluffs yet. By overbetting the river, you've announced to V that you have a big hand, and yet V is raising anyway. Sure, sometimes V will show up with a hand they shouldn't be raising like 2p/set/straight, but it's more likely they just have you beat. Need way more history to stack off 140bb in a limped pot with the 42nd nuts where only 4bb went in on the turn. $60 river bet and call a raise to $200-250 seems more optimal than risking your stack to squeeze out a few extra bucks from a call by making a bet that's unlikely to get called by much worse considering a straight almost always raises the turn. Betting smaller also makes V's more likely to bluff raise or "value raise" with a worse hand. A set or 2p may decide to raise a $60 bet instead of just calling an overbet.

Ya I definitely don’t mind the discussion on the bet size (I’m actually happy people have hooked into it because I’m experimenting with these wacky sizes against generic bad competition). If I had bet 60 and was raised to 200 I’d for sure be calling.


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Vomit? This is a no brainer fold

What he said.

Your river bet sizing created this problem.

Easy fold AP.

From what I've read in the venues thread on Encore, river betsize is justifiable. Folding to the raise tho - they'd just call with one pair, and you'd probably have heard from straight/set earlier, right?

Maybe im a fish but im going against the grain here. You said this guy doesnt sound super bright. He may not even see the runner runner flush draw. He also could have a flush lower than yours.

Yeah that's why I include the read that this guy doesn't seem particularly bright (this is through nothing but his table talk though so who knows?). He may not understand how strong of a range I'm repping or even understand that I'm repping solely a strong range.

I mentioned to my friend via text that these are the things that can happen when you try maximally exploitative things like overbetting the river in a spot where ranges aren't capped.

I did eventually fold after I table talked him a bit, but yeah all of this went through my mind for sure.

I think it's a pretty easy fold. I mean, he could be super ******ed and think his 43dd is the nuts but that's surely not his range here.