Disclaimer; I was not in this hand but I will write the post and hand history as one of the players. Please let me know what you make of the hand and the player's line.


Table Dynamics; 1/3 table at Encore Boston. Wednesday midday. Table has just opened, and has been running for the past 30 minutes or so. The game has been very passive, limp heavy. There has not been one preflop raise in the first 30 minutes.

Hero - Older white man (50-60ish), starting stack of $300 has played maybe one or two hands in the first 30 minutes.

V1 - Even Older white man (75-80ish), stack of $275ish, has limped more frequently than Hero in first 30 minutes.

V2 - Hispanic Young Guy, (25-35ish), stack of $240ish (started with $300), the most active player within the first $30 minutes, has limped at least half of his hands in the first $30 minutes, and has taken a stab or two on flops, but has given up on later streets.

OTTH

Hero looks down at AsAc in the BB
Two limpers in EP including V1
V2 in in CO, raises to $11
Hero in BB 3 bets to $35
V1 in EP cold calls, and V2 calls

Flop ($110ish)
Tc8s5d

Hero leads out for $100
V1 cold calls $100
Vd raises all in for $195

Hero?


What are we putting on both V's on?

*Again this was not me, I know what I would have done in this spot, but I will reveal action after some posts. In my opinion its a pretty easy call considering pot size.

Kind of irrelevant, after putting in $100 I am not folding. V2 could have two pair or a set, but could also have an overplayed 10 and a straight draw. V1 probably has have TT-QQ, maybe KK but I'd kind of expect a Limp/raise PF.

Against those ranges, never ever folding

I would have 3bet slightly more to about $40 just to give ~setmining hands poor 8:1 odds, but I'm conservative like that.

Thanks to the other call, the SPR is now just a lol 2 and we haz the biggest overpair. We're simply committed for our stack here. The board isn't very drawy but I still think I lean to just getting stacks in ASAP. So I'm cool with the big cbet and I'm snap calling the all-in (actually at the table I'm tanking in order to hopefully invite the other guy in).

Due to no reraise preflop, I'd be surprised if anyone shows up with AA/KK. Mostly looks like QQ/JJ, possibly some AT, and of course TT, and perhaps some lol 88/55. Doubt too much J9 stuff due to preflop.

GcluelessNLnoobG

too small Pre, $45 OOP feels better

way too big Cbet - $60-$65 for $110 pot.

AP, we're not here to f**k spiders so just get it in. Expect our older opponents to turn up with a lot of 10x hands, j9, 67 sorts of hands alongside some obvious sets.

we should still have plenty equity on average to call off remaining $95 (noticed the other guy has a little more but near enough..)

Pre flop sizing is too small. Flop sizing is probably fine, although, I’d go a little smaller. Jam the flop after raise.

$40 pre
$75-$80 on flop
As played you have to call the shove and then call if other guy shoves.

No way Hero can fold here so ship it.

I'd range V1, T9x+, J9s, sets, possibly T8s, 97s. Maybe some overpairs if he limps his whole range in super passive land.
I'd range V2 TJs+, AT, TT+ at a table this passive he may not have a 4b range.

The betting is not opened up. It’s call 95$ or fold.

Rubbish spot to be in due to no pre-flop planning.

With 100BB I'm planning to try to meke post flop very easy to play with the aim of getting 100BB in.

To do this, a 3Bet size that narrowly defines Villains range is better - 3-4x open + limpers so around $50.

75% PSB on the flop and on this flop all in if raised.

This situation is actually janky because the size of the 3bet really doesn't eliminate as many 88,810 and even some 1010 that a higher 3Bet sizing would.

As played (under repped hand pre, then played hand face up post) , the pot odds and our equity is far too good and too high to fold (because KK,Queens and JJ will show up a lot) but if I am Hero, I am not happy about it.

Advice to OP - don't play AA this way because it leads to you having to guess and hope too much.

People are making out OP's 3bet size as horrible; it ain't. He's offering really poor 10:1 IO with his sizing versus the raiser. I'm slightly more conservative and like offering even poorer 8:1 IO, but it hardly makes a huge difference.

Offering 8:1 would be a 3bet to $41. The difference between TT/88 calling a $35 raise versus a $41 is virtually nil. On top of that, the point of the 3bet sizing isn't to raise these hands out preflop: it's to give them an unprofitable call (even when our plan is to stack off 100% of the time postflop, which it should be). Villain's call with TT/88 is definitely unprofitable to OPs 3bet sizing; it would be slightly more unprofitable with a slightly larger raise.

GimoG

Idk if you play at Encore but the 1/3 plays very loose(and sometimes like a 2/5 game) so I like a 3bet on the larger size hoping to get heads up with OR

So as an update to the hand.

Hero folds to the re raise from V2

V1 calls the raise

V1 exposes KK
V2 shows J10

Turn and river are blanks and KK scoops the pot.

Again I was not hero in this hand so please do not equate this poor play as my own

And this is why I love Encore. What dumbass folds in that spot?

BB butchered the hand. Too little pre. Too much on flop. Now he even bet so much on flop that he doesn’t have the option to go all in himself.

45-50 preflop. As played 60 on flop to set a turn jam up, play this hand as a 2 streeter. No idea why this stuff is so hard to these people.


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Hero has AA here but our whole 3B range from the BB includes KQs+ for value, and A4s/A5s/77 as bluffs and we are betting them all to the same size.

Thinking about it, 4x-4.5x +limpers + Blind in a splashy game is fine IMO.

My aim is to go HU or take down the pot pre and to be tough to play against every time I 3B - not only when I have AA

With 2 limpers and a raiser in the pot and being OOP on every street post, I want all of my 3B's to be on the larger size so they are easy to play post.

No need to change what you are doing GG because you know what you are doing and have been doing it for a long time - but for newer players especially, 3 betting to a larger size will give them more confidence to play post flop streets better.

This hand should have gone down like this.

Limp, limp, raise, re-raise (raise GII) or call.

Bet 40%- 60% Flop. Raise. GII.

How it went down was lolbad from everyone and the given the OP thought it was worth posting indicates that he/she might be looking for better ways to play from the Hero's POV.

flop fold is beyond terrible by V