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03-05-2017 , 08:23 PM

businessdude

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V1 (300) - decent player, seems to understand basic concepts (although kind of a bet sizing tell when he bets smaller with weaker hands) His raises have been pretty TAGish though

V2 (150) - pretty bad calling station - will limp/call a lot, but raising range is pretty tight.

Hero (300) - pretty card dead a couple hours into this session

V1 raises to 15 in EP, Hero flats with QQ in MP, V2 raises to 60, V1 goes AI very quickly, seemingly only focused on V2.

Easy fold?

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03-05-2017 , 08:29 PM

8877Bruno

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Easy fold given the read on Vil 1. At best your flipping. Worst your against KK / AA. Someone *should* have it here. As played give it up and take note of what they flip over. That will help you with reads for next time!

Why did you flat with QQ in mp to play a multiway pot?

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03-05-2017 , 09:40 PM

Garick

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Yup, easy fold, imo.

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03-05-2017 , 09:53 PM

Redskins 47

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Well, because you flatted with QQ V1 thinks you're never calling his shove... your hand is disguised and V2 only has 50bbs, coupled with your read that hes only focused on V2, makes me believe he shows up with worse than QQ here.V1 should be isolating V2 with 1010, JJ and AK as well as AA/KK. I'd shove here and feel okay about it. In the games I play most villains will shove wide enough to call off with QQ 100bbs deep. Any deeper and no I fold.

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03-05-2017 , 10:48 PM

iversonian

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fold. they don't 3-4bet light often enough at 1/3. you're hoping for something like JJ & AK in the best case, realistically.

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03-05-2017 , 11:36 PM

BigPavelski

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Originally Posted by businessdude

Prolly a fold. Not easy . Won't blame call but yeah I'd fold here with 15 invested

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03-06-2017 , 02:24 PM

gobbledygeek

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I'm also flatting the first raise, and I'm sigh folding to the action.

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03-06-2017 , 02:38 PM

ronrabbit

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Originally Posted by Redskins 47

Pretty much all of this.

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03-06-2017 , 03:47 PM

AriesRam

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I pitch it. If V1 is not brain dead and V2 is normally pretty passive, V1 probably isn't shoving very wide, 50 BBs or not.

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03-06-2017 , 05:49 PM

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niceguy22

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I call. He thinks hes shoving into other villains $150. If other villain had 300 id consider a fold but no, to me its a call

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03-06-2017 , 06:12 PM

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SillyRabbit

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My gut is to ship it because our hand is under represented. This decision is extremely dependent on your read and your history with the villain. Against an unknown I turbo fold.

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03-06-2017 , 07:19 PM

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ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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I don't know. We are severely under repoed. He ships because he doesn't think we are strong and wants to play heads up with the short stack. I really think he could be overplaying a hand because of the short stack.

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03-06-2017 , 08:22 PM

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Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Not an easy fold. Live reads on V1 and V2 are pretty key. In a vacuum, probably a fold when a calling station 3! and a decent player shoves.

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03-06-2017 , 08:39 PM

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Lapidator

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OP,

1) What is V1's range as played?

2) What is the pot odds that you get if you call, but V2 folds? What is your equity vs. V1's range?

3) What is the pot odds that you get if you call and V2 calls with a range of top 5% of hands? What is your equity vs. both V1 and V2 (using the ranges from question 1 and 2)?

This will allow you to answer your question.

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Flatting the open with QQ from MP is pretty bad, IMO.

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03-06-2017 , 09:05 PM

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Acquittal

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I see it as an easy fold. According to your read, V2 only raises to $60 here with a tight range. And even if you beat V1, you're only breaking even if you lose to V2.

And I wouldn't expect V1 to shove too light here. 50 BB ($150) is still deep enough that most live players won't mindlessly get it in when they've only invested $15 so far. I'd expect JJ+ and AK+ from V1 and probably something similar from V2.

Also, I agree with other posters that you should 3bet QQ preflop from MP.

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03-07-2017 , 09:22 PM

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Redskins 47

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OP. RESULTS?

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03-07-2017 , 09:53 PM

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businessdude

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Originally Posted by Redskins 47

OP. RESULTS?

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03-08-2017 , 09:10 AM

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Ryanium

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Originally Posted by businessdude

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03-08-2017 , 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins 47

V1 should be isolating V2 with 1010, JJ and AK as well as AA/KK. I'd shove here and feel okay about it..

True, but V2 is almost certainty calling. Add V2 call, need like mid-40's% to call and assuming V2 shoves top 10% (probably less), we'd be 40% equity.

Not a good spot, only $15 invested, lets let this one go.

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