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Originally Posted by venice10
Perhaps the better solution is to stop over-valuing AA post flop. However in this situation on a board of 952, it is more likely 9x, TT+ is going to stick it in crushed by AA with an SPR of under 4.
I was thinking I should have clarified my point by saying "
know where you are" rather than "
over-valuing".
But then I realized that I did clarify that point later in my post...
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For these reasons, I'd rather play AA no more than 3-handed. When 3-handed or less, ranges are more easy to determine. However, against 4+ players, you will frequently need more than one pair to ship the pot. And more often than not, it will be close to impossible to determine how far behind/ahead you are.
So I assume I would get trolled either way...
Really this is a trivial matter, and I came here to help OP.
Here is the simple solution...
Of course we would like to go AI PF with AA and have the entire table call. Players who don't agree or understand this lack a proper understanding of EV.
Very early on, players learn
why they should raise PF with AA. Among other things, we raise for
value and protection.
By raising and getting called PF with AA, where are entering a +EV situation.
More accurately, this should be described as
potential EV. Because by getting called with AA PF,
you haven't actually won anything yet. Unless we play all three subsequent streets optimally and correctly, we lose value. And to play optimally, we need to be able to deduce our villains' ranges.
In order for us to win the most by realizing the potential EV created by the PF raise with AA, to extract value from our villains, and to
extract the most value from
the callers' range, we have to do four things:
1. Ship the Pot
2. Not stack off when behind.
3. Not lose value when ahead.
4. Select perfect bet-sizes.
In order to maximize value and minimize loses the optimal game plan is to design a scenario where we maximize the likelihood of achieving all four of the above objectives.
If we are selecting a PF bet size that will attract 7 callers, we will be stuck post flop, being unable to extract max value, because we can not say with confidence where we stand against 7 wide ranges.
On the other hand, if we select a larger bet-size that only attracts 2 callers, we can make an effective assessment of where our one-pair hand stands in relation to 2 PF calling ranges.
Keep in mind that if 7 players see a flop, the last caller PF can call with close to ATC. This is what I mean by "say with confidence where we stand against 7 wide ranges."
In any case, the matter is trivial...
1. If everyone goes AI PF, and you wake up with AA, then you should call.
2. More realistically, raise PF with aces for value and protection. Based on the style of the limpers, blinds, and players behind you, try to select the largest bet size that will entice two players to call. Sometime this will be 5BB. Sometimes this will be 20BB.
In typical 2+2 style, it was clear that OP was asking about the second issue above, not the first. But most posters took the time to ignore that and point out the obvious anyway.