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06-25-2018 , 03:39 PM
Hi folks

I'm looking for some help on how to play draws in multiway pots.
Wanted to do this through a discussion on a live hand I played 2/2 €

Vil1: very aggressive player often out of line, getting caught and not caring much. stack 300-400 €
Vil2&3: OK players looking for a good spot to score. stack both +/- 200 €
Vil4: solid feared player, pretty much folding unmade/missed hands all evening mostly preflop, postflop otherwise. stack 450 €
me: supertight (6 hands in 2 hours) because of crap, just doubled up twice with AK hit A and QT flopped straight. Played them very aggressively. I have them all covered.

My hand: Jd7d - decide to mix it up for the first time tonight and limp in.
3 limpers, SB and BB check
Flop: 5c6d8d - open ended straight and a flushdraw. Ching feeling all over my spine.

What I'm really looking for is how to adjust to this wide variety of hands coming in. Someone is bound to show up with a bigger hand, hence semibluffing is worse, and drawing more people in gets the pot bigger for when you do hit. That being said this is what happens.

Vil1 bets 8€ in the 10€ pot. Vil2 and Vil3 fold.
Seeing this guy is out of line way too often and he made 2 opponents fold, I decide to try and pick this one up with a semibluf. If he raises or shoves I will gladly call or go all in with this type of hand. I raise to 40€, like I would an overpair or set on this superwet board (play is unlucratively loose).

Vil4 being the only player in position on me flatcalls pretty instantly. This indicates a very easy decision after my quite big reraise. Vil1 folds as could be expected.
Vil4 being the solid player in my head will be limping a lot of suited connectors and pairs making a set. Maybe he has 77 or 99 or A8. But a fairly limited amount of hands I can come up with some sets, 1 2-pair and a lot of draws.
My opponent, whom I experienced of the thinking type, adjusting to his hand, opponent's range, and his perception of my range, I believe will set me on the same range, and same thinking method.

Turn comes As.

I will post my next action soon, but was wondering how you would act on this 98€ pot and 400+ € behind.

What do I do on the turn out of position:
- check with the intention of calling off a good prize offered and folding or betting the river. It might be a good way to deal with the sets or other icky surprises. This will prevent the pot of getting huge. Like said, more opponents have more chance of having the huge hand. downside is ofc giving away initiative. POT CONTROL
- check with the intention of check raising, which might work on the draws and 77 99. It's the ultimate hammer, but as I have a lot of draws in my own range too and no made hands, he will not likely give up on sets. THE HAMMER
- raise +/- 75-80 or other with the intention to scare off the many draws out there. What do I intend to do on a missed river? It might fold out the draws, sets may bring down the hammer maybe making me lay down the 15-outer. nor pot control, no hammer, just big variance without the benefits. THE HARD WAY

I will post next action soon if you guys give me some feedback on this point of the action where I fail to find what to do.

Thanks
Bert
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06-25-2018 , 03:47 PM
Bert - i’m Firing on the turn $75-80. I think the A is a good card for you and should take it down ~50% of the time. When called you need to hit.

I wouldn’t fire a 3rd barrel on a missed river.
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06-26-2018 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
Bert - i’m Firing on the turn $75-80. I think the A is a good card for you and should take it down ~50% of the time. When called you need to hit.

I wouldn’t fire a 3rd barrel on a missed river.
Thanks man.

It sounds legit - I might be able to fold the draw on a big reraise and see where it goes. He's not likely to fold the river if he calls here, I might be able to get that info right there and semibluf to rep the A or another big hand.

That said I checked to pick up a tell on how he bets. He bets 100 € in the 98 € pot. I reshove to find him mixing it up with 74o and a flopped straight. I don't get there on the river and face a 450 € loss.

Gr
Bert
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