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01-15-2017 , 05:50 PM
Effective stacks of 700ish
Hero is in cut off. Have been at the table for about 2 orbits and have been inactive. Villain I've played with before, 50ish and very aggressive, he is no OMC.
2/5
Folds to hero in the cutoff and I raise 10 J of clubs to 25. Button folds, sb folds and villain in bb calls.flop(52$) K 9 4 rainbow one club,villain checks,Hero c bets 25 and villain calls. Turn(102$) 9 of clubs pairing the board and giving me a gut shot straight flush draw. Villain checks again, hero bets 75$ and villain raises to 175$.
Hero?
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01-15-2017 , 06:08 PM
Turn is a check, nothing is folding on the turn that calls flop.

Pretty easy call once raised.
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01-15-2017 , 06:10 PM
Looks like an easy call to me. V unlikely to hold K9 or 94 or KK, and if he did hold full house, he would probably just call and no need to raise you off right? If he's holding A9 T9 89 etc, you have about 10-12 outs and need 100 more to call a 350 pot, so only need ~50 more profit at river when you hit straight or flush, sounds reasonable? I would have checked flop or turn rather than double firings though, given V is aggressive.


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01-15-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ybyangben
Looks like an easy call to me. V unlikely to hold K9 or 94 or KK, and if he did hold full house, he would probably just call and no need to raise you off right? If he's holding A9 T9 89 etc, you have about 10-12 outs and need 100 more to call a 350 pot, so only need ~50 more profit at river when you hit straight or flush, sounds reasonable? I would have checked flop or turn rather than double firings though, given V is aggressive.


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Your math is off it's calling 100 into a 250$ pot or 2.5 to 1. I think with 12 outs we are a 3to 1 dog so actually need some implied odds to profitably call.
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01-15-2017 , 07:03 PM
Lot of 9x lot of Kx, you'll get paid quite often vs said opponent.
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01-15-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
Your math is off it's calling 100 into a 250$ pot or 2.5 to 1. I think with 12 outs we are a 3to 1 dog so actually need some implied odds to profitably call.


Turn pot 100 + you bet 75 + V raised to 175 = 350, no?

I'm assuming he may hold 1~2 of your out hence 10-12, but even with 10 outs you only need 4-1 odds, and you are getting 3.5-1, which is why I said you only need 50 more at river to break even. Right?
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01-15-2017 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ybyangben
Turn pot 100 + you bet 75 + V raised to 175 = 350, no?

I'm assuming he may hold 1~2 of your out hence 10-12, but even with 10 outs you only need 4-1 odds, and you are getting 3.5-1, which is why I said you only need 50 more at river to break even. Right?
No , you can't count the 100 that I may or may not call with as already being in the pot. 350 should already be in the pot if I'm getting 3.5 to one, which I'm not.

If I were getting 3.5 to 1 then there would be 450 in the pot after my call. Get it?
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01-15-2017 , 08:26 PM
Why are you betting the turn? What are you trying to rep?
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01-15-2017 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
No , you can't count the 100 that I may or may not call with as already being in the pot. 350 should already be in the pot if I'm getting 3.5 to one, which I'm not.

If I were getting 3.5 to 1 then there would be 450 in the pot after my call. Get it?
Yes, you're getting 3.5:1. Easy call to bink as played. Some RIO, but some IO too.

Check turn. The second 9 reduces the value of your draws and won't encourage villain to fold.
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01-15-2017 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
No , you can't count the 100 that I may or may not call with as already being in the pot. 350 should already be in the pot if I'm getting 3.5 to one, which I'm not.



If I were getting 3.5 to 1 then there would be 450 in the pot after my call. Get it?


Yes, after your call there will be 450 in the pot...
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01-15-2017 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ybyangben
Yes, after your call there will be 450 in the pot...
425 you mean
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01-15-2017 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
425 you mean
Sorry, you're right. Brain fart on my end.
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01-15-2017 , 09:27 PM
Turn is a check, no need to build the pot when you have good outs and when you get a free card against an aggressive opponent. IO to call here on the turn, with a paired board, should nullify the RIO when you hit your flush/straight against FH. Still should be a very close call based on pot odds alone.
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01-15-2017 , 10:18 PM
I think turn should be a check. Not much we are getting to fold, possibly QQ-TT but we even block those combos. This card is good for BB range vs our opening/continuing range and we should be checking often.

Calling the turn raise however, we are getting right at the correct price directly and should have some implied odds. There are about 10 combos that have us dead but much more 9x and agg older guy can even have Kx here


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01-15-2017 , 10:27 PM
I agree, should have checked turn. I called the turn bet. The river bricked and villain led out for 350$. Hero folded.
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01-16-2017 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
425 you mean

No, it's 450 after our hero calls turn. 452 to be exact. 102 in the pot going to the turn, plus 175 from V, plus 175 from our hero. That's 452.

As for the hand itself, I would have checked back turn and tried to hit for free. The board pairing 9s OTT shouldn't change much, and I doubt you're getting much to fold turn that called a flop because bet (other than maybe a small PP that decided to call once, but with V OOP I think it's unlikely he has a hand like that).

As played, you have to call the extra $100. You're almost getting direct odds to call, though I usually try not to make it a habit of chasing draws on paired boards. Since it looks like you bricked the river, just fold.
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