2/5 stacks ~1k

-Folds to Hero who opens 86 on the B to 15
-BB 3bets to 45 (Solid TAG reg in his 30s. Capable of making big calls and tough folds as well).
-Hero calls

Flop(92) - 245
-Villain bets 30
-Hero raises to 85 and Villain calls

Turn(262) - K
-Villain checks
-Hero?

The plan was to get some folds on the flop with 8 high or realize my equity when called. Now, do you continue to empty the clip on this turn or slow down.. and why or why not?

Cheers

i have no idea what we're trying to rep on the flop, A3s exactly? would we even raise that hand?
if we were going to raise hands like 99 or TT on the flop here, are we going to fire again on the K turn?

just check. when we hit a 3 we're going to win a big pot vs a wheel a lot of the time and we have a very disguised straight on a 7. getting checkraised off our hand in this pot really sucks.

First I like to fold my suited 1 gappers (sans Broadway) to 3 bets. Direct connectors make good draws so much easier. We got lucky here that we're double gutted. If we're calling this, are we raise/folding anything preflop?

Second: x/r more. We're offering him 55 to win 182. He's going to peel with his big aces and middling pp's. We're mostly repping a set, and a set on this board wants to get stacks in against big pairs, so let's go big.

I can see sizing down if you think this villain is going to categorize it as strong value begging for a call, but if he's mathy at all I want to give him a worse price.

Third: the K hits his range much harder than ours. I am checking and hoping my equity comes in. Bonus is if he did hit the K we can probably get a decent bet in on the river if we hit.

If the river bricks and he checks again I'm not sure what is best. I want to bet to take out overcards that missed, but I'm worried that V as profiled might find a call with A high, which would be a disaster. I might just give up.

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against this sizing with a 200bb stack and the btn? no we're not folding much of anything and that's ok

@prorailbird yeah exactly, I'm not folding anything pre that I'm opening on the B to that 3bet sizing.

On the flop, I have all the sets and A3, which I would raise a decent % of the time. So raising 76 and 86 achieves some balance there.

@gunner 34 agree with the sizing.. should make it maybe 130-150 on the flop.

Love your heart.

preflop easy call vs sizing and stack depth. Flop I like your raise don't see things like this enough from most players But should be break even at worst.

Now we need to know your image?

Our equity isn't very high at this point. So realizing it is now on back burner. But is a second barrel going to be profitable? Your image, and better read on V is likely needed.

I lean to just giving up. Feel both call pre and raise on flop where likely profitable. no reason to make a mistake now.

This is one of our best barrels on the turn and we very credibly rep a lot more strong hands than villain can have. I’d bet $250.

Pre is standard and flop is a good raise. Sizing is small but I think it’s fine.

Pre: Calling is good this deep you can also 4bet bluff this hand
Flop: I can see both calling and x/r here ok. You have more straights, sets, and 2pairs on this board. I would balance that out first with hands like gutshot/OESD+pair as simibluff and protection. Your hand is close, with DG and BDFD this hand is ok to x/r. and just bet bigger
Turn: Your hand is good to continue and to use to balance out with your straights, sets, and 2pairs

+1

I actually like the flop sizing. You might find a fold for cheap, better call price if he 3bets, still builds FE for the turn.

I prefer a larger flop raise. As played would rather see a river, hero can still turn hand into a bluff when he misses sometimes.

nh so far, nice flop raise imo and i'd continue turn. Checking back turn and barreling river will get stationed off too much for my liking by any overpair on the flop and we have 8 high. You'd barrel all your sets and straights here as well

@mikko thanks

So yea, I decided to give up on the turn and check back.

In hindsight, I agree with most of you who think it's great to fire here because I can continue to rep that strong range of sets and straights. Technically it favors his range.. but only his KK improves since my flop raise should fold out AK most of the time.

@KID yeah, I def wouldn't barrel river after checking back against this opponent. He'll call it off way too often. So, I basically decided to take a free card and give up if I miss at this point.

Live reads might have contributed.. maybe how fast he called the flop raise or something gave me the feeling he was already set on calling me down in this hand.

Seems like we have mixed opinions about giving up on the turn vs barreling. So is it safe to say neither option is necessarily bad here?

I'm coming around to barreling the turn, but I do still think we should be raising to ~$125 OTF. It's not at all clear to me that AK is no longer in range as played.

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flop has to be way way way bigger. 85 isnt even close.

I'm all for blasting off here. I agree with general thoughts that flop needs to be bigger. The whole reason I like blasting off is because we can have every combination of nutted hands. With stacks deep, I want to put v's stack at risk with such a capped range.

V can have a3s here, but that's the only nutted combo in their range, the rest is overpairs and overcards. Meanwhile, we have all sets, two pair, a3s, 46s combos. We slay this board, and there aren't that many better bluffing combos than this double gutter bdfd.

I think you have to raise bigger flop, and turn is a for sure continue. Yes, k is better for v in general, but with the raise you're representing, the only hand that it matters for is kk. ak is never good vs your value range. I'm probably overbetting slightly over pot here to set up a river jam.

Exploitatively, if v calls turn, I think you can shut down river. Vs a good player, I think you should be jamming a lot rivers, you absolutely crush this range btn vs bb. You have sooo many value combos, and not that many bluff combos, if you're not triple barreling this hand, what are you triple barrelling with? The answer is that if you're not triple barreling this, you're very likely not bluffing enough here.

@svindaloo agree with everything.. well put

@Svindaloo As poster above said, agree completely. Triple barreling if called on turn is highly villain dependant. Flop raise needs to be bigger to fold out AK. If we do that we're only beat by 3 combos of KK so can easily continue on the turn.

Honestly idk what to do here. Bet 75% on the turn and if he calls turn don’t bet river